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Houthis knock out underwater cables linking Europe to Asia

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Re: Houthis knock out underwater cables linking Europe to Asia

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This should provoke swift, hard, and overwhelming reactions from G7 countries. The undersea cables have to be inviolate or we'll see this happen all the time, with major negative impacts to internet stability and effective international commerce.

Or they could build resilience because shit happens

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lol how can you possibly call our response feeble

Considering how we arrived at this point (Houthis threatening and attacking trade and communications), I would say the US government's obvious inability to rein in its ally (Israel) despite having a huge amount of leverage demonstrates a pretty weak administration. Feeble is precisely the right word to describe US pressure on Israel. Saying "We've asked them" over and over again just doesn't cut it. It's weak and eve…

>diplomatic credibility

The USA hasn't had any of that for decades. The illegal invasion and destruction of Iraq in 2003 was the beginning of the end of the worlds' tolerance for American exceptionalism. The only ones who don't seem to understand this, are Americans.

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It clearly counts as terrorism if it's intentional damage to key international infrastructure by a non-state actor for political purposes. (while the Houthis control much of Yemen, they are not its internationally recognized government)

That's leaning pretty hard on the technicality of who has the UN chair, with the detail that it's effectively us (NATO) vetoing their recognition. Not that I'm cool with the cable cuts, but "rogue state" would be more fair imo.

I'm not entirely clear why state acts can't be called "terrorism"; examples would include the Libyan Lockerbie bombing, the French bombing of the Rainbow Warrior, and the Russian Salisbury poisoning incident.

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That's leaning pretty hard on the technicality of who has the UN chair, with the detail that it's effectively us (NATO) vetoing their recognition. Not that I'm cool with the cable cuts, but "rogue state" would be more fair imo.

I'm not entirely clear why state acts can't be called "terrorism"; examples would include the Libyan Lockerbie bombing, the French bombing of the Rainbow Warrior, and the Russian Salisbury poisoning incident.

That's fair as long as we're consistent, personally I always prick my ears at "terrorism" after seeing it politicized for most of my adult life.

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Terrorism is an interesting word choice in this context.

It clearly counts as terrorism if it's intentional damage to key international infrastructure by a non-state actor for political purposes. (while the Houthis control much of Yemen, they are not its internationally recognized government)

I was more focused on the "terror" part. I would guess there's some line where a destructive act transitions from "attack" or "vandalism" to "terror".

Re: Houthis knock out underwater cables linking Europe to Asia

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This should provoke swift, hard, and overwhelming reactions from G7 countries. The undersea cables have to be inviolate or we'll see this happen all the time, with major negative impacts to internet stability and effective international commerce.

Yeah like maybe forcing a cease fire like the entire world expect the US and Israel want.

We are losing allies in the world with our constant vetoing in the UNSC.

Re: Houthis knock out underwater cables linking Europe to Asia

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80's?

I can't see why the internet would reset us to the the bronze age. I think what they're saying is it's more likely to reset us to similar state to when the internet wasn't common-place, ie, the 80s.

I should've clarified - my memory is that even in the 80s the 'internet' wasn't that fundamentally-critical to typical daily behaviour. Heck, even the WWW took a while to roll into relevance.

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This right here is why there is a divide the size of the Grand Canyon in America. Some will see it as obvious satire, some are 100% convinced this is the truth. When did we reach the point that the same text can be read as fact or satire with such strong conviction that the dress being blue and black (no, it's white and gold!) would seem like compromise?

I always thought this would make a good movie. Parody both sides so hard each thinks you are "representing their views" while the opposing side thinks it's a comedy.

they already made this movie

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt_(2020_film)

Re: Houthis knock out underwater cables linking Europe to Asia

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It clearly counts as terrorism if it's intentional damage to key international infrastructure by a non-state actor for political purposes. (while the Houthis control much of Yemen, they are not its internationally recognized government)

I was more focused on the "terror" part. I would guess there's some line where a destructive act transitions from "attack" or "vandalism" to "terror".

The UK terror legislation (which is .. not great) defines it as "for a political purpose". Which is actually a reasonable distinction vs regular crime.
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