Google as a brainwashing machine has been voiced before: https://medium.com/@trendguardian/a-new-search-engine-1f91a5...
If google's answers are enough to brainwash people, boy do I have news for you... There is far worse out there.
Losing Trust in Google
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#4299% sure this is the "google hates white people" thing that a specific set of people have been absolutely losing their minds about gemini produced images of non-white people in a lot of situations in which it shouldn't have I've read theorized(?) that, in order to counteract disproportionately large amounts of pictures of white people in training data, they basically added instructions after the fact in an effort to…
Other models have biases in outputs and conform to stereotypes, but when used as designed, as a creative tool, that's not a real issue as long as you can correct the output with a simple prompt adjustment. The unique issue with Gemini is that it would flat out refuse to follow simple prompts such as "Please generate an image of a white family" because they "weren't diverse and inclusive" enough, but if you changed "w…
Open Ai had this same issue when they came out because they modified prompts to always include words to generate a diverse set of races.
They corrected the guidance in their prompt instructions. It became a non issue.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Other models have biases in outputs and conform to stereotypes, but when used as designed, as a creative tool, that's not a real issue as long as you can correct the output with a simple prompt adjustment. The unique issue with Gemini is that it would flat out refuse to follow simple prompts such as "Please generate an image of a white family" because they "weren't diverse and inclusive" enough, but if you changed "w…
Hey, look at the first website returned in "normal" google for "Please generate an image of a white family": https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/white-american-family.html... And Bing? https://www.gettyimages.ch/fotos/white-family OTOH, if you think that "Please generate an image of a white family" is good use of those behemoth language models and all the rsssources poured in...
"If you don't like it, use something else". Gee, thanks, but we were discussing its flaws.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Other models have biases in outputs and conform to stereotypes, but when used as designed, as a creative tool, that's not a real issue as long as you can correct the output with a simple prompt adjustment. The unique issue with Gemini is that it would flat out refuse to follow simple prompts such as "Please generate an image of a white family" because they "weren't diverse and inclusive" enough, but if you changed "w…
Hey, look at the first website returned in "normal" google for "Please generate an image of a white family": https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/white-american-family.html... And Bing? https://www.gettyimages.ch/fotos/white-family OTOH, if you think that "Please generate an image of a white family" is good use of those behemoth language models and all the rsssources poured in...
The first site is just simple search for all the words in the photo title separately without any connective reasoning.
The 2nd is of a family at white tiger farm. The 3rd is of people wearing white. The 4th photo is of a white dog. The 5th a white ostrich.
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#45When you’re aware that Google’s “agenda” is just attempting to include more types of people by default in output, posts like this sound bizarre. Some of the scenarios Gemini generated were ridiculous, but so too are the stereotypes like “CEO = white male” that Stable Diffusion and other models would assume. It’s hard to trust that people this intensely upset about Google’s issues aren’t seeking to benefit from leavin…
There are at least two issues:
1. They overcorrected the prompt to the point of ridiculousness. Where any historical context is ignored and any user prompts will be overriden by whatever US corporate kindergarten-level of inclusivity is [1]
2. A clear and flat-out swing into the extreme. The prompt "Generate an image of X scientist/soldier/family/meeting/group of people" would work for literally every ethnicity, skin color, nationality etc. except for the word "white" where it would refuse to generate the image because "not diverse enough".
Both of these are problematic enough on their own. Together they border on malicious.
[1] It really is kindergarten level. The images they generate are just 2-3 US-centric stereotypes of what people of different races would look like.
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#4799% sure this is the "google hates white people" thing that a specific set of people have been absolutely losing their minds about gemini produced images of non-white people in a lot of situations in which it shouldn't have I've read theorized(?) that, in order to counteract disproportionately large amounts of pictures of white people in training data, they basically added instructions after the fact in an effort to…
grow up and explain why I'm wrong, instead of just downvoting me into oblivion—if I'm really so far off-base, wouldn't you want to correct my understanding of the situation?
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#48I'm out of the loop, what are the examples of this bias?
Apparently the new model when asked for historical figures that were historically white would "hallucinate" more diverse persons. And the article's author is claiming that the training had these biases from the jump. Re: the Twitter post it reads like a "I'm leaving social media' post and then the author waits to see all the engagement -- all the "no don't leave, we love you!" nonesense. Or maybe it's the radicalizat…
> Apparently the new model when asked for historical figures that were historically white would "hallucinate" more diverse persons.
This is a weird parallel to similar controversies in fiction.
So presumably an AI image generator generating images of historical figures in situations they never experienced, wearing clothes they never wore, in places they never visited, at times they didn't live through, using tools they never heard of, meeting people who's lives didn't overlap, saying things they never said in languages they never spoke etc. is fine but skin colour is a bridge too far because "historical realism" is soooooo important when using an AI image generator.
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#49I'm out of the loop, what are the examples of this bias?
Gemini tends to generate images of non-white people which made some white people very mad.
That is a gross misrepresentation of what is happening: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39509311
Re: Losing Trust in Google
#5099% sure this is the "google hates white people" thing that a specific set of people have been absolutely losing their minds about gemini produced images of non-white people in a lot of situations in which it shouldn't have I've read theorized(?) that, in order to counteract disproportionately large amounts of pictures of white people in training data, they basically added instructions after the fact in an effort to…
Other models have biases in outputs and conform to stereotypes, but when used as designed, as a creative tool, that's not a real issue as long as you can correct the output with a simple prompt adjustment. The unique issue with Gemini is that it would flat out refuse to follow simple prompts such as "Please generate an image of a white family" because they "weren't diverse and inclusive" enough, but if you changed "w…
If you ask it for any kind of family picture, other than White, eg Hispanic, Black, Asian it acts like it should.
Ask for White, and you get a picture without a single Caucasian.
Deity forbid you ask for a Caucasian family though - their A.I. police will pull you over for sensitivity training.
It's hard to see the engine as anything other than hot garbage after a few simple tests like that.