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Blue Origin has emerged as the likely buyer for United Launch Alliance

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Re: Blue Origin has emerged as the likely buyer for United Launch Alliance

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Is anyone else getting kinda unnerved that the biggest billionaires are starting to shift focus towards owning, and importantly, calling the shots at large military contractors?

Bezos is going to lose another billion a year at least with the combined BO + ULA and will need to manipulate geopolitics to ensure a large enough market to recoup those losses. We are not going to see competition between Blue Oula and spacex but tacit complicity.

Re: Blue Origin has emerged as the likely buyer for United Launch Alliance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> In 24 years, they haven’t gotten one gram to orbit. > ULA has launched a lot, but mostly with over 20 year old rocket designs that are > based on even older rockets. by that metric the butcher around the corner here is better than ULA. He makes model rockets as a hobby and just tested one he just build and designed last year. And since it was designed last year and not a decade ago its also a newer design than New…

It still seems pretty likely that New Glenn will be launching relatively soon. Within one year probably, despite them not having launched an orbital rocket ever before. That wouldn't be far behind ULA's Vulcan, which first launched in January. Though Blue Origin also has a lot more employees than ULA: 11,000 vs 2,700.

sure - probably yes. but blankly giving them the benefit of doubt and just saying that they actually are better if they haven't lauched anything to orbit when comparing them to another company that launches stuff is not wise.

Re: Blue Origin has emerged as the likely buyer for United Launch Alliance

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This is overall a good, and needed thing. While the BE-4 engines from Blue Origin are fantastic, they need the level of system maturity that is represented by ULA. Together, I see a real chance to be competitive with SpaceX long term. Yes, they have work to go before they could do reusable launch, but the combined company probably has the best chance to do so. The more reusable launch providers the better for the ind…

According to some commentators Blue Origin has more than a fighting chance to compete with SpaceX https://youtu.be/1slJdJTzfzc?si=V7HNxAvBz0TQtMTW

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Re: Blue Origin has emerged as the likely buyer for United Launch Alliance

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Blue Origin has emerged as the likely buyer for United Launch Alliance

#45

This is overall a good, and needed thing. While the BE-4 engines from Blue Origin are fantastic, they need the level of system maturity that is represented by ULA. Together, I see a real chance to be competitive with SpaceX long term. Yes, they have work to go before they could do reusable launch, but the combined company probably has the best chance to do so. The more reusable launch providers the better for the ind…

> BE-4 engines from Blue Origin are fantastic Are they? Outside of being staged combustion they aren't that impressive. Their chamber-pressure is still really low. The TWR isn't that great. For a staged engine they are entry level. Their re-usability is theoretical at this point. The early engines the delivered to ULA are not the reusable version that will later go on New Glenn. > I see a real chance to be competitiv…

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Re: Blue Origin has emerged as the likely buyer for United Launch Alliance

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Welcome your monopolistic, plutocratic overlords.

The irony of saying that about the space launch industry, especially about ULA, a company which was founded as a monopoly because Boeing has been going down the drain for decades.

Re: Blue Origin has emerged as the likely buyer for United Launch Alliance

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This is overall a good, and needed thing. While the BE-4 engines from Blue Origin are fantastic, they need the level of system maturity that is represented by ULA. Together, I see a real chance to be competitive with SpaceX long term. Yes, they have work to go before they could do reusable launch, but the combined company probably has the best chance to do so. The more reusable launch providers the better for the ind…

> BE-4 engines from Blue Origin are fantastic Are they? Outside of being staged combustion they aren't that impressive. Their chamber-pressure is still really low. The TWR isn't that great. For a staged engine they are entry level. Their re-usability is theoretical at this point. The early engines the delivered to ULA are not the reusable version that will later go on New Glenn. > I see a real chance to be competitiv…

The reusability on BE-4 is not theoretical.

Yes, the ones flown on Vulcan do not do relighting. However, we do know of engines BO has test fired where they have tested restart capability.

https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1521204214084796416

Re: Blue Origin has emerged as the likely buyer for United Launch Alliance

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I don't see how this would be beneficial for Blue Origin. Their next rocket, New Glenn, is planned to be finished this year. Unlike ULA's smaller Vulcan rocket, its lower stage will be reusable. It seems likely that New Glenn will be cheaper than Vulcan once they are able reuse the stage a couple of times. Especially per ton of launch mass. Then they have no reason to keep operating Vulcan.

It will benefit Blue Origin because ULA actually has costumers (mostly the military). They also have launch facilities and people who know how to launch something. New Glenn will take years to ramp up to any real launch rate. Blue Origin will go from kind of a joke to being a big military contractor. Making New Glenn essentially a favorite for the next big military procurement cycle. They are basically buying their w…

What strange logic of some company "having" customers instead of the customers choosing the best product, which includes price.

Re: Blue Origin has emerged as the likely buyer for United Launch Alliance

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It's an efficient shape aerodynamically. Though reams have been written no doubt that the quill attracts writers so much because of its resemblance to a dick. The pen is the penis. And so on. I have a pet theory. I think you're a web developer or want to be one. Are you?

Nope, not a web developer. 30 years of back-end C++/Java/C#/Hack/Go/Scala/Ruby.

Re: Blue Origin has emerged as the likely buyer for United Launch Alliance

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This is overall a good, and needed thing. While the BE-4 engines from Blue Origin are fantastic, they need the level of system maturity that is represented by ULA. Together, I see a real chance to be competitive with SpaceX long term. Yes, they have work to go before they could do reusable launch, but the combined company probably has the best chance to do so. The more reusable launch providers the better for the ind…

According to some commentators Blue Origin has more than a fighting chance to compete with SpaceX https://youtu.be/1slJdJTzfzc?si=V7HNxAvBz0TQtMTW

This video highlight the difference of culture between NASA and SpaceX, for better or worse. Kimbal Musk talks about it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiT0B1C7ow0

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