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Air Canada Has to Honor a Refund Policy Its Chatbot Made Up

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> That didn't work It worked in the British Post Office Scandal: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Post_Office_scandal

Since it's a scandal, it worked until it didn't. And AFAICT "the computer did it" wasn't the argument, it was "the computer did it so it must be correct because the experts said so".

So did they held any humans accountable then? This wasn't the case when I checked but I probably missed some updates

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I hope there can be some reasonable middle ground. I think in this case it's good the woman got her money. But Air Canada, presumably scared of what the next case might cost them decided to turn the chat bot off entirely. I think that's a bit unfortunate. I don't know what the solution looks like. Maybe some combination of courts only upholding "reasonable" claims by AI. And then insurance to cover the gaps?

If the company is not confident with the output of the chatbot or the liability then they should turn it off. All business decisions are based on assessing risk. Ultimately either insurance will need to step in or the company is willing to take the hit for mistakes their system makes because it saves them more money. This is how fraud protection it assessed with banks, credit cards etc. as well.

I agree. If bad information is given and the customer makes a decision on it, then either the customer must bear the risk or the business. I think it's more fair for the business to be out the money.

In this case this could have just been a $650 'bug bounty' had Air Canada issued a quick refund. A reasonable QA expense to find out that your AI agent is misleading your customers.

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Here's the real punchline: > Experts told the Vancouver Sun that Air Canada may have succeeded in avoiding liability in Moffatt's case if its chatbot had warned customers that the information that the chatbot provided may not be accurate. Here's a glimpse into our Kafka-esque AI-powered future: every corporate lawyer is now making sure any customer service request will be gated by a chatbot containing a disclaimer li…

That's why I get all my questions answered by CC'ing legal@example.com and privacy@example.com

Re: Air Canada Has to Honor a Refund Policy Its Chatbot Made Up

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I don't even see how this is a big story. An expressed representation about what a product is or does, how it works, and the terms of sale in consumer contexts are binding on the seller. It is the same in America. If you go into a store and they say that you can return it if you don't like it, then you can. If you buy a TV and the guy at the store tells you it also makes pancakes, you can get your money back if it turns out that it does not make pancakes. This is true even if the representation is made by some 16-year-old kid working at Best Buy. By extension it would still be true even if it is made be an automaton.

Re: Air Canada Has to Honor a Refund Policy Its Chatbot Made Up

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I hope there can be some reasonable middle ground. I think in this case it's good the woman got her money. But Air Canada, presumably scared of what the next case might cost them decided to turn the chat bot off entirely. I think that's a bit unfortunate. I don't know what the solution looks like. Maybe some combination of courts only upholding "reasonable" claims by AI. And then insurance to cover the gaps?

Hmm. “Let me turn on this lead water pipeline which may or may not poison an entire town and then blame faul when it does.”

I don’t think failing to take adequate precautions is preventing AI tools from being used. I think this was plain corporate incompetence and greediness. They started using a system without properly testing it and don’t want to pay for the consequences.

What if Boeing says “Oops. We forgot to put the bolts that keeps the door in place but we shouldn’t be kept accountable for our actions”? The fact that they used a tool for it shouldn’t change the outcome unless we are going to create indemnity for big cooperations.

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Forget about digital experiences for a moment. Forget entirely about chatbots. > Air Canada argues it cannot be held liable for information provided by one of its agents, servants, or representatives That includes EMPLOYEES. So they tried to argue that their employees can lie to your face to get you to buy a ticket under false pretense and then refuse to honor the promised terms? That's absolutely fucked.

I have had this happen in a sense. I once booked a flight to meet my then-fiancee in Florida on vacation. Work travel came up unexpectedly, and I booked my work travel from ORD > SFO > TPA. Before I made that booking, I called the airline specifically to ask them if skipping the ORD > TPA leg of my personal travel was going to cause me problems. The agent confirmed, twice that it would not. This was a lie. Buried in…

In the US at least once that notification that "the call may be recorded for quality assurance " happens, both parties have been notified and you're good to record regardless of the state you are in.

What do you use for recording your calls?

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> "Air Canada argues it cannot be held liable for information provided by one of its agents, servants, or representatives—including a chatbot," Rivers wrote. "It does not explain why it believes that is the case" or "why the webpage titled 'Bereavement travel' was inherently more trustworthy than its chatbot." This is very reasonable-- AI or not, companies can't expect consumers to know which parts of their digital e…

Forget about digital experiences for a moment. Forget entirely about chatbots. > Air Canada argues it cannot be held liable for information provided by one of its agents, servants, or representatives That includes EMPLOYEES. So they tried to argue that their employees can lie to your face to get you to buy a ticket under false pretense and then refuse to honor the promised terms? That's absolutely fucked.

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Re: Air Canada Has to Honor a Refund Policy Its Chatbot Made Up

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I'm glad to see that cases are starting to be decided about the liability of using AI generated content. This is something the general public should not need to second-guess.

Honestly LLMs aren’t ready for customer service. If I’m talking to a company I need to have a high degree of accuracy. LLMs are less accurate than trained humans.

This is my personal perception, but I think it's important that there is a clear definition of liability so that companies are able to make their own determinations of what is ready and what isn't.
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