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Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by jcul »

MostlyStable wrote: post #9

As a paying customer, I agree that the only thing I care about from Kagi is search, but ...I think that there is a very non-trivial chance that in the near future, search almost entirely gets eaten by AI. It makes sense to me that a search company would be exploring AI and its interaction with search. While I hope this doesn't become the main focus (until and unless it has to be), the history of companies like Kodak…

This feature isn't specifically to do with AI though is it? Unless I missed something (likely).

My understanding was that it was about adding a "search with Kagi" thing to your site and triggering Kagi's indexer to index your site as a side effect.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by almyk »

al_borland wrote: post #29
sedatk wrote: post #14

I've been a paying Kagi user for a few months now. The only thing that made me miss Google results was immediate answers: the answers that are extracted from a prominent web page and shown directly, so you don't have to click the link. Actually, Kagi has some of that for certain queries, but it's not as extensive as Google's. So, contrary to the most of the comments here, I support their AI endeavors for the sake of…

I’ve been really liking the quick answers[1] that Kagi added. The doc gives some info as to what triggers it so it seems less random. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/quick-answer.html

Thanks for linking to the docs. I really like this feature, but as you said, it felt like it showed up at random

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by kaycebasques »

Questions as a technical writer who maintains docs sites:

* What pages would get included in the index? Everything on the same domain? Or only pages where the search widget is included? Your demo looks like it's pulling in answers from kagi.com whereas if I were maintaining those docs I might want it to only look at help.kagi.com

* Do I get logs of the things that people type into the box? How? Also the generated summaries, do I get logs of those? I would need to know what these LLMs are saying to my readers...

* Do I get access to the embeddings that you've generated for my site? (Probably not but I have some use cases where it'd be really cool if there are embeddings for my site "just out there" with no further work on my part needed.) Edit: assuming that embeddings are involved which I realized later might not be true...

* How frequently will you index my site? If your index is working off even a 1-week-old version of my docs, that could be a problem

* Will Kagi be doing anything with the user queries?

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by nicoburns »

freediver wrote: post #12

Kagi founder here. This is very early (alpha) concept built by a single Kagi Labs developer in a few weeks. The proper infrastruture and product is not built yet. We are launching a prototype to get feedback and gauge demand. Why does this exist? It would be an efficient way for us to build and expand our own index. Assuming users of this would be Kagi users, we would expand our index by tens of thousands of high qua…

Is it possible to use the search functionality without the "AI smarts"? I can see a good site search service being a great addition to some websites I run, but I would absolutely not want to push an AI chatbot on my users.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by syntaxing »

I love this. Llamaindex has (had?) a discord bot that did something similar. I forgot who the exact provider was but it solved my problem. Sometimes small projects just doesn’t have the people power for support and features like this go a long way.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by bbor »

unshavedyak wrote: post #18
sedatk wrote: post #14

I've been a paying Kagi user for a few months now. The only thing that made me miss Google results was immediate answers: the answers that are extracted from a prominent web page and shown directly, so you don't have to click the link. Actually, Kagi has some of that for certain queries, but it's not as extensive as Google's. So, contrary to the most of the comments here, I support their AI endeavors for the sake of…

Ultimate/normal customer, and i agree. Personally i think AI _is_ Search, and while we don't need to force them together in some massive behemoth now - laying foundation for being familiar, comfortable and well integrated in the future seems foundational to today. In my eyes at least.

Strongly held belief that I think is backed up by academic consensus: we should not treat LLMs as stores of knowledge. As my mantra goes, “language models, not knowledge models”. So the future of search might involve LLMs at a very fundamental level (and I think it will!), but they’ll never be the central component. Humans will never ever ever invent a better knowledge system than a database / a piece of paper, I guarantee.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by BeetleB »

OK - I must be dumb.

> Just integrate with two lines of code using our lightweight Web Components (20kB min+gzip) or our Docusaurus, Hugo, or VitePress plugins. See demo in Kagi's own documentation at help.kagi.com

How do I do this on my site? I couldn't find the code anywhere.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by OJFord »

sedatk wrote: post #14

I've been a paying Kagi user for a few months now. The only thing that made me miss Google results was immediate answers: the answers that are extracted from a prominent web page and shown directly, so you don't have to click the link. Actually, Kagi has some of that for certain queries, but it's not as extensive as Google's. So, contrary to the most of the comments here, I support their AI endeavors for the sake of…

If anyone from DDG is here, please sort out your calendar one? I reported it in early January that it was (understandably) erroneously assuming 'jan calendar' still meant current_year+1; still doing it for February.

March is ok though, so I think actually the implementation was always buggy, not just now it's 2024, but it's checking if month is <= current month where it should just do <.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by neilv »

kazinator wrote: post #40
freediver wrote: post #12

Kagi founder here. This is very early (alpha) concept built by a single Kagi Labs developer in a few weeks. The proper infrastruture and product is not built yet. We are launching a prototype to get feedback and gauge demand. Why does this exist? It would be an efficient way for us to build and expand our own index. Assuming users of this would be Kagi users, we would expand our index by tens of thousands of high qua…

Kagi is Japanese for key, right? We search with a search key. If I'm getting it right. Do you know that "sidekick" is aibó in Japanese (相棒)? Notice the "AI" in it?

Sony AIBO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIBO
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