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The case against caffeine

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Re: The case against caffeine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think my edit addresses your point.

One travel mug is well within the safe range your own link describes... If people are drinking 3 travel mugs a day... then sure...? Not sure what that changes.

A lot do and I think the brain shrinkage happens even with smaller doses.

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High amounts shrink the brain, increase dementia risk. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1028415X.2021.19... And very few people drink 1-2 cups. The travel mugs and typical coffee place cups are close to this danger range.

> After full covariate adjustment, consumption of >6 cups/day was associated with 53% higher odds of dementia compared to consumption of 1–2 cups/day So what they're saying is too much of a (good? fine? reasonable?) thing can be a bad thing? Not sure this supports a case against caffeine. You should look up what happens if someone consumes too much salt!

> You should look up what happens if someone consumes too much salt!

People are eating too much salt in general - which already has negative impact on health.

Re: The case against caffeine

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High amounts shrink the brain, increase dementia risk. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1028415X.2021.19... And very few people drink 1-2 cups. The travel mugs and typical coffee place cups are close to this danger range.

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If you're going to drink decaf, be sure to drink decaf prepared via the Swiss water method. It has the least additives, healthiest option and tastes pretty good.

May you share some brands that follow such method ?

It’s actually hard to find brands that don’t use the water method if you buy “freshly” roasted beans. Unless you go super budget, medium budget beans like Peets, SF bay, etc use water process method.

Re: The case against caffeine

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Some comments about dietary science are true. It is extremely impossible to isolate the effect of a single substance (ethically).

This person greatly benefited from stopping caffeine intake which is great. It is part of the journey to understand ourselves and what makes us work/improve/feel better.

If you have a anxiety-o-meter that looks like this: [-----------------------------------]

and your baseline is here: [-------------------------X---------] - you just need a little push to go into anxiety/can't sleep mode which can come from caffeine.

But if your baseline is around here: [--x--------------------------------] -maybe some coffee in the morning, right after lunch will greatly increase your clarity/make you able to fulfill your duties. People who drink caffeine for pleasure (I love the taste of coffee and sometimes I get beans so good that I just want to drink several cups) will notice the negative effect in their sleep/anxiety levels. We must go back to Paracelsus 'dosis sola facit venenum'. The dose makes the poison.

Re: The case against caffeine

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I've been on the decaf wagon for a good few years now, I can't say it helped me out with anxiety or productivity but I can echo the sentiment that I can sleep within minutes. Also not relying on caffeine to keep me going pretty much forces me to sleep at a reasonable time.

The hardest thing about giving up caffeine has to be the immediate effects. Your body takes it as a massive shock and you're stuck with what feels like a migraine for 2 days. Not fun.

I know decaf still has some caffeine in it, but it's a compromise for something different – for a month of cold turkey I thought I had cravings for caffeine, but it turned out it was hot drinks I was after. I think it's the one luxury I couldn't be without.

Re: The case against caffeine

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Seems like the author is a slow metabolizer like me. Interestingly enough, it seems that the caffeine half life can be shortened by eating broccoli (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17266520/) - by having coffee in the mornings and broccoli with dinner I've been able to enjoy the mood boosting effects of caffeine during the day and still be able to sleep fine.

Sleep quality aside though, I thought my anxiety was due to stressful job, but maybe it's due to all the caffeine I have in an attempt to be productive.. perhaps something to experiment with myself.

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At least personally, I've found that starting to drink coffee has had a pretty dramatic positive impact on my depression. I wonder if the difference in experience could come down to the specific circumstances and nature of the issues that someone faces?

Depends what type of depression you have. Like "my life sucks" depression or "metabolic health is bad" depression or both.

Re: The case against caffeine

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> If coffee decreases the possibility of myocardial infarction and it is no longer harmful from a carcinogenicity point of view, it is the time to acknowledge Gustav III (1746-1792 CE) (Encyclopædia Britannica, 2016 ▶), the adventures king of Sweden’s, pioneer experiment on coffee safety as the first documented “randomized clinical trial” in medical history.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5355814/

Re: The case against caffeine

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As a person with willpower/focus issues, I've found caffeine to be a godsend in college. I've started using so much I've switched to caffeine pills to save money. At first I was taking 200mg in the morning to wake up, 100mg every couple of hours to get me through the lectures, and another 200mg at home to study.

It went well, and I became one of the best students in my class, but my anxiety went over the roof. I became irritable, angry, unpleasant, started shouting at my girlfriend over small meaningless issues, and eventally alienated my whole friend circle. My tolerance also went up - at some point I was taking 1000-1500mg of caffeine a day.

I remember one morning I couldn't get up, so I took 200mg pill and lied back to bed, then woke up again and couldn't get up, so I took 200mg more, and then 200mg more, and so on... I finally woke up after 1000mg. In public transit, I felt sick and my heart was pounding so much I thought I would get a heart attack. I couldn't eat the whole day and I felt sick like never before in my life.

After that I never went back on the caffeine pills again. I still drink coffee because I find it hard to function without it, and I'm trying to quit. But for some tasks, caffeine is simply too powerful to go without. Working out without caffeine feels just lame.

Anyways, thanks for reading my blogpost in the HN comments. Hopefully someone finds this anegdote entertaining.

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