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Sora could ruin peoples lives

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The brutal reality is, if we stopped every development that would result in destroyed livelihoods, we would still be cavemen.

The invention of the car didn't make the horse industry happy.

I am reminded of the time Uncle Jed bought the buggy whip factory...

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Very good discussion there. “I am 68 years old, on the opposite spectrum of life’s journey. At your age, I had the same passion to be a writer. But when personal computers became available just a few years later, that passion changed to becoming a computer programmer. I’ve been doing that ever since. My point is: Don’t lose your passion. Learn everything you can about this new technology and figure out how to use it…

If I were at the opposite spectrum of life's journey, I would be open to life's changes too, knowing that I didn't have much of it left. But I'm in my 30s, which means on average I have another 40-50 years of existence to get through.

> I have another 40-50 years of existence to get through.

With that attitude, you're sure to live a very long time.

Re: Sora could ruin peoples lives

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Very good discussion there. “I am 68 years old, on the opposite spectrum of life’s journey. At your age, I had the same passion to be a writer. But when personal computers became available just a few years later, that passion changed to becoming a computer programmer. I’ve been doing that ever since. My point is: Don’t lose your passion. Learn everything you can about this new technology and figure out how to use it…

Sorry, these sorts of comments seem kind and well-intended, but we have to be real here and allow for the possibility that an impressive advancement has many (or mostly) negative effects. If you got into art because you enjoy drawing and modeling and wanted to make THAT your job (not just abstractly "producing pictures") then these advancements are just obviously a negative development, no matter how you try to reframe it.

And we can all be like "noone is owed a job doing traditional art, this happened to millions of people during the industrial revolution too", but in that case we have to be honest and not tell art-folks that they are overreacting.

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Very good discussion there. “I am 68 years old, on the opposite spectrum of life’s journey. At your age, I had the same passion to be a writer. But when personal computers became available just a few years later, that passion changed to becoming a computer programmer. I’ve been doing that ever since. My point is: Don’t lose your passion. Learn everything you can about this new technology and figure out how to use it…

If I were at the opposite spectrum of life's journey, I would be open to life's changes too, knowing that I didn't have much of it left. But I'm in my 30s, which means on average I have another 40-50 years of existence to get through.

I think AI is really exciting, I'm having a lot of fun building with it... but this is clearly the golden Era of AI. The future will see deep consolidation, most people will struggle to compete. The future will be full of wealth, but it remains to be seen if the wealth makes everyone's lives better, or just a select elite.

Potentially the future might be great, we don't have jobs... we have hobbies. Think Sisko's dad from DS9, replicators can create anything for everyone... but he runs a restaurant with handmade food because that's his passion.

But we might end up with a dystopia with corporate government, centrally controlled resources probably metered based on a social credit score.

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IMHO the advancements in technology related with industries in which the end product is digital (movies, animation, texts, programs, etc.,) instead of fundamental spatial services like automation of food productions, cleaning, garbage collection, house building, etc., is a direct consequence of physical space being a luxury around the world, with housing and renting prices skyrocketing. The Garage Culture is a privil…

I don't know about the rest of the world but most Americans live in significantly larger housing than previous generations did (that's part of why it's so expensive). SROs are basically illegal now, and "starter houses" that used to be 800 sq feet three times that size now.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the difference. All tasks are mundane and labor intensive, all tasks can be done by artificial beings. We happen to be in a weird little valley right now where some tasks are still impossible for artificial beings to do better than us. This is a very short term aberration. If we are still here in a couple generations, when artificial beings have surpassed our output in every way that matters, then we’ll have a…

> artificial beings Last time I checked it was an algorithm that needs to be run and fed with input to perform calculations. Not a being? The only thing that is a "being" about it currently is the nature of the beings that "donated" the training data (without being, hem, asked).

So are you, if you abstract enough.

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IMHO the advancements in technology related with industries in which the end product is digital (movies, animation, texts, programs, etc.,) instead of fundamental spatial services like automation of food productions, cleaning, garbage collection, house building, etc., is a direct consequence of physical space being a luxury around the world, with housing and renting prices skyrocketing. The Garage Culture is a privil…

To be clear, there is plenty of space for humans on earth right now. I'm not talking about in uninhabitable places, I mean in amazing fertile locations. Real world space is a luxury because of bad regulation in places with good governments and other places having bad governments (you didn't imply otherwise, but I know there's a common misconception that space is running out and the world is overcrowded. It's largely…

Where's that amazing place ? O.o

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> artificial beings Last time I checked it was an algorithm that needs to be run and fed with input to perform calculations. Not a being? The only thing that is a "being" about it currently is the nature of the beings that "donated" the training data (without being, hem, asked).

So are you, if you abstract enough.

> So are you, if you abstract enough.

Doubt. Explain, for instance, pain. How do you create that algorithmically? Or if you don't like to explain pain, how about love?

You see, that's the problem with being caught up in the "technical person" identity completely. Reducing yourself down to an algorithm is not exactly healthy if you ask me. But it sure explains a lot about where the world is headed and why.

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