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Magic AI Secures $117M to Build an AI Software Engineer

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Re: Magic AI Secures $117M to Build an AI Software Engineer

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We shouldn't be surprised when capital tries to eat its children.

It'd probably be best if we all learned some agriculture and opted for simpler lives, rebuilt our social capital (aka community) and learned to do leisure like sane people. The rat race has never thanked anyone for participating, not even software engineers.

Re: Magic AI Secures $117M to Build an AI Software Engineer

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Yeah. Integrating the 99.9% correct code into already existing systems sounds like the software job of the future.

Frankly it sounds not far off from the software job of the present. The correct code is largely the easy part in my experience, but this could be because I struggle immensely with learning each company/department/projects esoteric CI/CD pipelines

Well we don't use AI now, so most code is written by humans. CI/CD can be hard but it's not actually harder than anything else overall. If you think it's hard for an ordinary software project, I'd bet it's either not your field of expertise, or you're dealing with a system that was probably set up by inexperienced people.

Re: Magic AI Secures $117M to Build an AI Software Engineer

#43
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I wasn't worried until Google showed up with a 1M token context with 99.9% recall...

Some random team at Berkeley beat them to it by a couple days: https://largeworldmodel.github.io/ . It's just a matter of throwing compute at it, nothing fancy. OpenAI could probably do 1M token context too but they haven't yet found a way to make it profitable (neither have Google; the most they actually offer customers is 256k).

GitHub CoPilot charges $10 for a subscription that it loses an average (!) of $20 a user on.

https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/11/github_ai_copilot_mic...

"Make it profitable" appears a secondary concern in the AI space.

Re: Magic AI Secures $117M to Build an AI Software Engineer

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GPT4, as smart and impressive as it is, starts forgetting or confusing key instructions with as few as 500 tokens (in my experimentation). Practically speaking the advertised 32k context window could be a few orders of magnitude smaller depending on what you're asking it to do!

Did you see the Gemini 1.5 1M token demo? They upload the three.js library and ask it to make changes, which it does successfully and pretty quickly. I want LLMs to fail at my profession as much as everyone at risk of losing their jobs, but unless Google is lying, things are looking pretty grim. https://youtu.be/SSnsmqIj1MI?si=N0zYY_Zbbfz3KRWK

I didn't see Gemini, I saw other demos only to learn later on that they were staged.

Re: Magic AI Secures $117M to Build an AI Software Engineer

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I’m not saying they’re not vapour, but the article does mention a series of closed door demos and thousands of GPUs deployed, so it at least appears that someone has seen something .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Leap https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Healthy skepticism is pragmatic. Sequoia and FTX comes to mind as well. Don't assume an adult was in the room doing due diligence.

That's not the same Magic...

Re: Magic AI Secures $117M to Build an AI Software Engineer

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Leap https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Healthy skepticism is pragmatic. Sequoia and FTX comes to mind as well. Don't assume an adult was in the room doing due diligence.

That's not the same Magic...

Different product categories, same vaporware/hype train potential. How good would the autocomplete demo have to be for someone to convince the unsophisticated to hand over $500M (based on a preponderance of the historical evidence)? That's the thesis. Not disbelieving the potential of the technology (considering Gemini 1.5 and Sora recently), but you're going to have to be fairly sophisticated to know the difference between what is real, what is show, and if it's going to have legs to carry a valuation vs being a flash in the pan.

(have done technical due diligence for M&A, but also realize a greater fool can be found; ask lots of questions, and ensure the people you're trusting to validate the responses to those questions have the necessary domain expertise)

Re: Magic AI Secures $117M to Build an AI Software Engineer

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You're already "inside". The danger with automation is that it can pull up the ladder of developing junior talent on nuts-and-bolts, especially if these platforms aren't accessible to students and small-time developers.

Architecture doesn't matter anymore. I can have the AI do general purpose computing. Who cares if its slow? Integration work between two systems? Why bother writing APIs when my robot can spawn 1000 tabs and do manual data entry. Eventually they can just speak English to each other

>Architecture doesn't matter anymore

That is...exquisitely false. Especially under the tensions of scale, architecture matters a great deal. Yes, computers are ridiculously fast these days, but it is quite easy to architect yourself into a situation that cannot be solved by more hardware, not even theoretically. There are plenty of problems that would require more memory than there are fundamental particles in the universe if you model them wrong.

As for your offered examples, you seem to be thinking in terms of glue code and how well it could be replaced by an intelligent agent with its attention focused on a browser, reading one tab and entering data in another. This approach is going to break at any kind of scale greater than 1, and probably be quite brittle at 1. I'd argue that such an agent, if properly trained, will quickly realize that the cost/benefit ratio of it doing the job manually is not nearly as good as if it wrote a program to perform this mechanistic task. In which case, architecture still matters but the agent doing the architecting has changed.

Re: Magic AI Secures $117M to Build an AI Software Engineer

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Maybe I'm naive, but I just don't feel threatened by this at all. As a software engineer, I'd love to have an AI engineer automate the boring stuff so I can work on higher-level architecture concerns.

You shouldn't feel anymore threatened by this than by interchangeable parts. People upskill and society ends up as a massive net beneficiary. Until we have ASI (imho we're not remotely close) then there is plenty of work to be done. It will just involve fewer menial tasks.

It merely depends what we point the AI at whether we get full blown software engineering out it. I mean right now people only point it at tasks that can be written/watched, reasoned about easily, and then verified. There probably needs to be a jump to the visual spectrum like a wireframe overlay for code/projects which will allow humans to quickly verify what it is "thinking" architecturally. There just needs to be a lot more imagining of ghost features and trade offs somehow. People barely comment code let alone speak of all things that are being done away with.

Re: Magic AI Secures $117M to Build an AI Software Engineer

#49
Yeah, lets imagine that magic:

Prompt: AI, production is down. Fix it. AI: working...

3 days later.

CEO: Hey, dear contractor, our Production is down for 3 days - can you fix it ? Contactor: Sure, give me $500/hour and within 3 weeks it might work again. You know, you have 10mio SLOC, 1mio npm dependencies so it will take a 'bit' longer...

Yes, its bit oversimplified, but imagine it ;)

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