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Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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It's impossible to access this content (even more so now that nitter is dead). Should HN continue driving traffic to a site that is entirely inaccessible?

I don’t understand:

This link opens the post for me, while paywalled news is semi-routinely posted.

What’s the objection?

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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I think one of the things that needs to be said about Sora is the videos that examples that we've seen have been impressive, but this is also how most of OpenAI's examples have been on marketing pages. What matters is when you yourself are actually able to use it. In the past, it was only when I've actually been able to try the tech myself that I've been able to see how successful (or unsuccessful) they really are fo…

No one is claiming Sora is a finished product HN gets hung up on damning things that aren't perfect _right now_ You also see this with FSD...it isn't perfect today, so HN writes it off forever Sora is a demo and a teaser of what will be a useful polished tool in three years, that's all

No, we've been writing off FSD for the last 6+ years it's been promised as "coming soon"

People have bought, owned and used, and sold their Tesla w/ FSD without once being able to use the feature.

Its not even any better or less relaxing - instead of driving you babysit a black box.

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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OpenAI willfully fuels hype of all sorts and lets people extrapolate without basis or limit, because it's hugely profitable for them.

LeCun is the voice of reason trying to point out the limitations of the current technology and fundamental questions that need to be answered.

Until there is something more than cute demos, like an actual path forward that can implement what people are hyping, or better still working examples, it's all speculative nonsense.

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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It's impossible to access this content (even more so now that nitter is dead). Should HN continue driving traffic to a site that is entirely inaccessible?

Is it really impossible? I clicked the link and saw the content fine. If you mean "impossible without signing up", I'd say it's within your rights to not want to sign up, but it's a very uncharitable definition of "impossible".

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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post #44

It's impossible to access this content (even more so now that nitter is dead). Should HN continue driving traffic to a site that is entirely inaccessible?

Is it really impossible? I clicked the link and saw the content fine. If you mean "impossible without signing up", I'd say it's within your rights to not want to sign up, but it's a very uncharitable definition of "impossible".

Impossible for me yes. Am getting prompted by a sign-up screen to join twitter.

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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post #38

It's impossible to access this content (even more so now that nitter is dead). Should HN continue driving traffic to a site that is entirely inaccessible?

hn should drive traffic wherever the content is published / mirrored. If there are multiple options, choose the most public one. We shouldn't censor ourselves and not discuss information that was posted on twitter.

Other paywalled content at least can be opened with archive.md and friends. Usually people here kindly post a link for convenience to archive. With twotter that no longer works.

So this type of content means that in order to follow the discussion I must also be a twitter subscriber.

Maybe people could consider first creating an archive.org snapshot that is then linked instead. Would be the kind thing to do and help the rest of us.

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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It's impossible to access this content (even more so now that nitter is dead). Should HN continue driving traffic to a site that is entirely inaccessible?

I don’t understand: This link opens the post for me, while paywalled news is semi-routinely posted. What’s the objection?

The difference is that paywalled news sites require a login to access content that they themselves produced and published, while Twitter/X now requires a login to access content written by other people.

In other words, paywalled news is a first party content provider, but Twitter is just a third party who inject their mandatory login between me (the reader) and the writer so they can make some profit by showing ads on the content.

That's fine, but authors should consider if they want to publish on a site like that when there are so many other options.

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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LeCun is such a hack and is guilty exactly the same hype as OpenAI.

Firstly his insistence on “self supervised learning” which is just a wrong and unhelpful rebranding of existing methodologies. Followed by talking about VicREG as if it’s a meaningful contribution and not just hacked together crap which is not only theoretically unfounded but plain nonsensical. Followed again by his “JEPA” work which again is just a rebranding of other works like BYOL and data2vec.

Its so frustrating to see this guy pop up and try to claim credit for an entire field of representation learning which he hasn’t made a single meaningful contribution to in decades.

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. But stable diffusion can do that. It understands what a cat is and can draw cat wearing a hat. Videos are about actions, cause and effect, which is entirely different thing than still pictures.

It doesn't understand a cat at all. Humans understand, models are deterministic functions with some randomness added in. Just because it appears to understand doesn't make it so.

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