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World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

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Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

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Amazing that you can just shove a ton of multimodal data into a big transformer and get a really good multimodal model. I wonder where things will top out. For many years a lot of people (including me) were saying "you can't just take existing architectures, scale them up, feed them a lot of data, and expect something mpressive", but here we are.

Ditto. My views changed after thinking ”wait, isn’t that what Mother Nature did?” Her solutions just took three billion years of pretraining, decades of individual fine tuning, and ungodly amounts of streaming data. Our solutions are faster due to a vastly more efficient learning algorithm and relevant digital compute.

Now I’ve reached the opposite SWAG hypothesis: given a sufficiently general optimization problem, the more one scales training/inference compute, the more impossible it is to prevent intelligence.

That seems disappointingly prosaic. Shouldn’t there be more to it? Human ego creates anthropocentric bias toward thinking we’re special. We aren’t. At best we’re lucky. And nature doesn’t care about our biases. She repeatedly disabuses us from our “special” places — at the center of the universe, the solar system, the tree of life, and now the spectrum of general intelligence.

This changed my perspective on the LLM “statistical parrot”/“no True Scotsman” critics. Their conviction without evidence (i.e faith) that SotA models don’t “really” reason comes from insecurity. It’s a loud reaction to egos popping. That’s a trauma that I can sympathize with.

Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The information is in the model card though: Books3 dataset 700B text-image pairs from Laion-2B-en, filtered to only keep images with at least 256 resolution 400M text-image pairs from COYO-700M, filtered to only keep images with at least 256 resolution 10M text-video pairs from WebVid10M 3M text-video pairs from a subset of InternVid10M 73K text-video chat pairs from Valley-Instruct-73K 100K text-video chat pairs fr…

wouldn’t that have been a cleaner explanation than the sentence provided? books and videos, see model card. the redundant language is a smell whether the emitter wishes to acknowledge or not. the point still stands, the hot mess of a sentence didn’t need to be that way. > …so petty and pedantic… if nothing else, think of the language models that need to digest this. sure you can send in gobbledygook and get out plaus…

You've never decided to rewrite a sentence and forgot to check the entire sentence again after an incomplete refactoring? I'd say you're in the minority. This is a v1 draft on Arxiv. I don't expect the final paper to have that sentence.

Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

#43
post #21

This looks really promising! Other than this sentence: > We curated a large dataset of videos and languages from public book and video datasets, consisting of videos of diverse activities and long-form books. I didn’t see any other mention of datasets used, is this on intentional?

While I’m not sure about this one, many AI’s do hide their training data because it’s illegally obtained (ie file sharing of copyrighted works). That’s half of why I dropped AI. The “Proving Wrongdoing” part of my article has specific examples of it:

http://gethisword.com/tech/exploringai/

Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any information on a suggested inference setup? I guess they had something different in mind than TPU v4-128 when they put it on HuggingFace?

looking at https://github.com/LargeWorldModel/LWM - they seem to indeed suggest to use a TPU vm

I suppose you could try with a Google Colab notebook attached to a free TPU instance? Probably would be quite limited if it worked at all.

Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

#45

We've been testing it in the local llm Discords, turns out its just a llama 7B finetune that can run on any old GPU (which is cool). https://huggingface.co/brucethemoose/LargeWorldModel_LWM-Tex... https://huggingface.co/dranger003/LWM-Text-Chat-128K-iMat.GG... And its long context recall is quite good! We've already kind of discovered this with Yi, but there are some things one can do with a mega context that you jus…

> but there are some things one can do with a mega context that you just can't get with RAG.

Can you elaborate? In my mind, RAG and "mega context" are orthogonal - RAG is something done by adding documents to the context for the LLM to reference, and "mega context" is just having a big context. No?

Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

#46
This implementation is similar to something Ilya Sutskever said a few months ago but I think I am misunderstanding both: I think they are saying robots could learn how to move and what facial expressions to use by watching millions of hours of videos involving humans, a sort of LLM of human behavior. I am not a scientist so I may have this wrong.

Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

#47

We've been testing it in the local llm Discords, turns out its just a llama 7B finetune that can run on any old GPU (which is cool). https://huggingface.co/brucethemoose/LargeWorldModel_LWM-Tex... https://huggingface.co/dranger003/LWM-Text-Chat-128K-iMat.GG... And its long context recall is quite good! We've already kind of discovered this with Yi, but there are some things one can do with a mega context that you jus…

> but there are some things one can do with a mega context that you just can't get with RAG. Can you elaborate? In my mind, RAG and "mega context" are orthogonal - RAG is something done by adding documents to the context for the LLM to reference, and "mega context" is just having a big context. No?

I think he means not needing to have a great search system to identify rag chunks. Just throw everything in.

Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

#48
post #21

This looks really promising! Other than this sentence: > We curated a large dataset of videos and languages from public book and video datasets, consisting of videos of diverse activities and long-form books. I didn’t see any other mention of datasets used, is this on intentional?

According to [0]:

- Books3 dataset

- 700B text-image pairs from Laion-2B-en, filtered to only keep images with at least 256 resolution

- 400M text-image pairs from COYO-700M, filtered to only keep images with at least 256 resolution

- 10M text-video pairs from WebVid10M

- 3M text-video pairs from a subset of InternVid10M

- 73K text-video chat pairs from Valley-Instruct-73K

- 100K text-video chat pairs from Video-ChatGPT

0: https://huggingface.co/LargeWorldModel/LWM-Chat-1M-Jax#train...

Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

#49

This implementation is similar to something Ilya Sutskever said a few months ago but I think I am misunderstanding both: I think they are saying robots could learn how to move and what facial expressions to use by watching millions of hours of videos involving humans, a sort of LLM of human behavior. I am not a scientist so I may have this wrong.

Not that controversial. Just need to map it to the controls correctly. The experience from others can show what a human would do. There needs to be a layer of figuring out how to achieve that outcome with whatever tools are on hand

Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but there are some things one can do with a mega context that you just can't get with RAG. Can you elaborate? In my mind, RAG and "mega context" are orthogonal - RAG is something done by adding documents to the context for the LLM to reference, and "mega context" is just having a big context. No?

I think he means not needing to have a great search system to identify rag chunks. Just throw everything in.

Or more specifically, be able to look at everything all at once instead of in chunks.
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