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The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unusually for almost any car these days, it doesn't support CarPlay, so you will be required to use whatever "smart" functions are built-in.

If GM wants to drop CarPlay and force me to use their broken laggy garbage I just won't buy their car same goes for Tesla. Not paying a subscription fee for GPS.

GM's system is built by google and it's not laggy at all. That said, I also wouldn't buy it because I want carplay.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

There's no way this is true. That would be over 50% battery degradation and it's completed covered within the 8 year warranty.

Battery failures happen, but no 6 year old Tesla is at 60% battery degradation without a system failure.

Also, lithium ion batteries are almost entirely recyclable. Once we've mined enough and have a good recycling process in place, this will become more affordable for your average person.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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post #14

I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

Hrm, I believe Tesla's warranty is "8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.", so your friend should look into getting a new Tesla! Also, and I'd love if someone could dig up some data on this, the X and S used an older battery type that has since been replaced by a new chemistry and assembly which degrades quite a lot less than the olde…

This. It's covered by warranty. In 6 more years, pack prices will be much much lower.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

#44
post #14

I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

> I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles.

How many miles do they have on it? Mileage that short after only 6 years should be covered by warranty. That's not degradation, that's a battery failure.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If regulation is needed to force the existence of electric cars around the 20k mark, that means nobody wants to buy them now

If energy just cost what it actually cost (no fossil fuel subsidies) the rest would follow. The market distortion from gas subsidies has caused this mess, we didn't get to everyone driving a 5000 pound vehicle due to the free market. We got here because of backwards laws and automaker's exploitation of said laws. Fuel or electricity should cost what it costs. Vehicles need to be taxed according to their externalities…

What fossil fuel subsidies are you referring to?

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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post #14

I know someone with a 6 year old Tesla X that now has a range of around 120 miles. This is becoming a serious impediment for them. What happens to all the buyers of these vehicles when their range is halved before their life expectancy is up? Needing to pony up another $10-15k will probably be unaffordable for the average Joe.

I don't think any average joe has a tesla.

They sold almost 2 million of them in 2023 so someone is buying them.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

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post #25
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If regulation is needed to force the existence of electric cars around the 20k mark, that means nobody wants to buy them now

If energy just cost what it actually cost (no fossil fuel subsidies) the rest would follow. The market distortion from gas subsidies has caused this mess, we didn't get to everyone driving a 5000 pound vehicle due to the free market. We got here because of backwards laws and automaker's exploitation of said laws. Fuel or electricity should cost what it costs. Vehicles need to be taxed according to their externalities…

A good thing to campaign for is revision of the EPA rules that exempt light trucks from certain mileage rules, or the ones that increase the allowable fuel consumption based on the wheelbase of the vehicle. This is one of the major drivers increasing the size of vehicles in the US, as I understand it.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

#48

If any automaker can make a car that meets these criteria, I will buy one immediately: * it is available, new, at my local dealer, for * it will enable me to travel to a destination 1.5 hr away, and return, without stopping to charge * it has a reliable fast-charging network * doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer I don't really think I'm asking for much.

A Model 3 literally does all of that, except for the bit about wanting to get it at a "dealer", which I suspect you included precisely to avoid buying the Tesla. So, I guess you'll have to wait.

Or you could get a car delivered to your driveway for you like the rest of us urchins. But maybe that's just a bridge too far.

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

#49

There's no way in hell they're making money at that price. They're probably not even breaking even. Even the higher trims are going to have extremely thin margins, if they're making money at all. Seeing as it's an $8K jump in price from the base model to the second level trim, I imagine dealers are going to make it very difficult to buy a base model.

Is there a price breakdown somewhere with a costed bill of materials?

Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000

#50

If any automaker can make a car that meets these criteria, I will buy one immediately: * it is available, new, at my local dealer, for * it will enable me to travel to a destination 1.5 hr away, and return, without stopping to charge * it has a reliable fast-charging network * doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer I don't really think I'm asking for much.

Which one of those does this not meet? The available inventory?

I guess Tesla doesn't have dealerships, so technically it excludes the Model 3 (which does meet all other criteria).

Edit: He stealth-edited "doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer" into the list, so I think the point of the comment is just, "I want an EV that's as good as a Tesla but isn't a Tesla."

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