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Re: Doorway effect

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post #20

Ah, this is explains the effect of entering a room and not remembering why you went there.

... Or pressing the start key in Vista and seeing a wall of live tile distractions. In my experience the start page idea was a software implementation of "Doorway Effect". I always had to return to the desktop to have my "refrigerator logic" spin up. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fridge_logic >

Vista..? The Windows start page was introduced in version 8, not Vista. Vista had a bog-standard, pre-8 menu.

Re: Doorway effect

#42
post #38

TOTP 2FA is terrible for this. I’ll sign into a website, pick my phone up to read the TOTP code, and instead end up on HN or Signal or something. Put the phone down after a couple of minutes, look back up to my computer screen with the 2FA prompt and go “oh yeah, that’s why I looked at my phone” That happens probably 50% of the time. And I wish that was an exaggeration.

This is exactly why I've eventually ended up with almost no notifications on my phone. I am way too susceptible to being distracted mid-task, and the only way I've found to effectively combat that is by aggressively removing those distractions.

Now if only I could turn off the "you must investigate X" shouting my brain randomly throws at me WITHOUT external stimuli.

Re: Doorway effect

#43
> Memory is organized around specific events or episodes, such as attending a lecture or having a family meal, rather than being a continuous stream interrupted by sleep.

For some reason that sentence really irked the critical thinker in me. As if they have the schema for the human brain.

Re: Doorway effect

#44
As someone with ADHD which was unmedicated far beyond what was reasonable, passing through a doorway still has some mild but primordial terror, as I remember a time when walking through a door was like being awoken from unconsciousness in an unfamiliar day.

Re: Doorway effect

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meaning that the effect must be fairly strong to be observable in two studies with n=50? I would agree in general, but I would like to see three or more, as well as variations to test the boundaries of this. Things can go wrong in one or two studies, so having independent replication is needed to really cement things.

> Meaning that the effect must be fairly strong to be observable in two studies with n=50? Do what now? Isn't the problem that it could have randomly happened (especially if people did a bunch of other similar studies that didn't observe an effect, and only these two were published)?

For a publishable effect at smaller n, the effect size needs to be fairly large. If you have a huge number of people in a trial, you can get statistical significance of negligible consequence.

The problem with a single study of n=50 isn't the 50, it's that it's a single study.

Re: Doorway effect

#46

> Memory is organized around specific events or episodes, such as attending a lecture or having a family meal, rather than being a continuous stream interrupted by sleep. For some reason that sentence really irked the critical thinker in me. As if they have the schema for the human brain.

The wiki is worded far too strongly. The abstract of the cited research (c. 2000) describes it as a “model of autobiographical memory”. As is often said, models are not perfectly accurate representations of reality, but are useful representations of reality. How this model is used today - or if it’s even still considered relevant - I can’t speak to.

Re: Doorway effect

#47
post #37

Sorry to hijack this, but a related problem of mine is I can't picture myself going through a doorway. Like the brain just doesn't compute for some reason.

Can you picture other things? A long time ago I read that if you are awakened and want to fall back asleep, you should picture yourself turning around, going through a door to your basement stairway and descending the steps towards the dark basement. I tried forever to do this and couldn't, and thought it was something about this scenario specifically. But then years later, I learned about aphantasia and realized I c…

I'm quite adept at visualization, as I'm a visual learner (visualization comes more naturally to me than any other form of thinking) AND visualization is something I regularly, explicitly do in order to prepare for rock climbing.

Visualizing myself going through a doorway is difficult even for me. I think it's in part because it requires some creativity (compare "visualize yourself going through a doorway" as opposed to "visualize yourself going through the doorway of your childhood house"). The salient conceptual feature of a doorway is that it goes somewhere and so the prompt basically is asking you to imagine something without explicitly asking you. Even your example of the basement stairway is much easier for me to visualise, because the doorway has stairs after it.

Re: Doorway effect

#49
post #15

How is the theory falsifiable? What if I pass between two rooms that look identical? Has this been studied? (It seems to me that the underlying claim of episodic memory might not be able to tell a difference.)

> How is the theory falsifiable?

If they didn't observe it, that would provide some level of falsifiability?

> What if I pass between two rooms that look identical? Has this been studied? (It seems to me that the underlying claim of episodic memory might not be able to tell a difference.)

There's a study listed on that page which observed that re-entering the same room did not improve recall.

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