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How to (seriously) read a scientific paper (2016)

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Re: How to (seriously) read a scientific paper (2016)

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1. Read the abstract 2. Read the last paragraph of the intro 3. Read the first paragraph of the conclusion 4. Read any diagrams or figures 5. Inspect the citations 6. If all else fails, read the paper itself

I pretty much do this, but I also read the "Methods" section after the conclusion. You'd be surprised how quickly you can filter out a paper based on how they actually collected the data.

It's not uncommon for papers to use crappy methods at either sampling, or they use an unreliable method for measuring the key data point. Or they use the right method, but you can see they made a mistake in the process.

At least in my field (biochemistry) I'd always look at the methods as a hard filter.

Re: How to (seriously) read a scientific paper (2016)

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This misses the best skimming trick I learned from an advisor: After you read the abstract, read the last couple lines/paragraphs of the introduction. That's where you'll find the authors best summary of the paper's contributions and novelty. For instance, the first paper that popped up with some random search terms [0]: The present paper attempts to provide a structured and comprehensive overview of state-of-the-art…

In the early-2010s, computer vision papers started putting a bulleted summary of that paper’s contributions at the end of the intro. It’s an enormously helpful (and fairly recent) invention. I’ve been insisting on using that pattern in the papers I write since, not just because it helps readers understand the key ideas better, but because it also forces authors to clarify the main points to themselves.

Re: How to (seriously) read a scientific paper (2016)

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Still waiting for an open discussion forum for scientific papers. Like StackOverflow, but every post is a paper. And there are experts of various gradations that help with questions.

Yes please. That's the peer review of my dreams. What an extraordinarily valuable resource that would be.

Re: How to (seriously) read a scientific paper (2016)

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Still waiting for an open discussion forum for scientific papers. Like StackOverflow, but every post is a paper. And there are experts of various gradations that help with questions.

https://openreview.net/ ?

Open Review allows public comments. It's open, you can see revisions, authors can link repositories, datasets, and websites. You can even submit papers there outside of review. But it is expected that you are posting your own work. So kinda like arXiv but a bit more. Here's an example with Mamba.

https://openreview.net/forum?id=AL1fq05o7H

Re: How to (seriously) read a scientific paper (2016)

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Still waiting for an open discussion forum for scientific papers. Like StackOverflow, but every post is a paper. And there are experts of various gradations that help with questions.

It would be quickly overwhelmed, especially for complicated math papers

Maybe arXiv style rules? Low bar, but is a form of vetting. You keep it as a place for researchers and leave places like Reddit for the general masses.

Re: How to (seriously) read a scientific paper (2016)

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This is similar to how I used to do it when I was still an academic, 20 years ago. My mental process is answering questions: is this an interesting paper with something to tell? Do the authors know their field (references)? Are they able to write a coherent and well structured article? If that all checks out, you start reading the paper in more depth.

The 2024 version of this would of course be "hey chat gpt, summarize this article for me and list the key points and then criticize the work". I expect, article quality should improve a lot simply because authors are also using LLMs to help them polish their articles. There's no excuse for submitting unpolished work at this point.

A lot of what I did as an academic was reviewing papers for workshops, conferences and journals. That's a chore that is part of academic life and getting good at that is a core skill.

It's the really bad papers that are the most work. Because after you have a suspicion that something is garbage (this is the easy part) you actually have to read the damn thing in order to deconstruct it properly and provide detailed feedback to the authors that is both fair and actionable. A well written paper is much easier to review and more fun to read. Unfortunately, well written papers are quite rare. Mostly you are dealing with awkward grammar and style (inexperienced researchers, non native speakers, etc.), people who are unaware of key references they should have cited, a lot of bullshit conclusions and shoddy methodology, poorly structured arguments, etc.

You can learn a lot about writing by reading a lot of bad writing and having others criticize your work. I'm really grateful for all the people who took the time to deal with my early efforts. It wasn't great, I know that. I'm not a native speaker. I had to learn writing on the job.

Re: How to (seriously) read a scientific paper (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that was implied by the capitalization of "News", but regardless, it's the same argument. Reporters are not scientsts. The whole thing is like a hilarious public announcement that the editor in chief of Science has Gell-Mann Amnesia.

If I'm interpreting it right, no, it's not the same argument. It sounds like she said she basically checks if it's been talked about in Science besides as an existing paper. Seems reasonably for a publication to consider it's own standards of publishing as good enough. Science reporters are probably, hopefully, scientifically literate.

Science News (the one in Science magazine) is written by journalists.

Re: How to (seriously) read a scientific paper (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess you didn’t read the article very closely. The Science editor was talking about Science News (note the capitalization) which is a well respected information resource.

Alas, I believe you two are not communicating! Marcia McNutt, the (now former) editor-in-chief of Science , was certainly talking about the News section of Science magazine, the magazine of the AAAS. That is, McNutt is talking about: https://www.science.org/news This is not the same as "Science News" -- https://www.sciencenews.org/sn-magazine The reason I think this is that the next sentence refers to a "Perspective"…

It isn't a "callow dismissal". I'm talking about science.org/news, just like you. It's written by career journalists [1]. It's fine for toilet reading.

And as far as credentialism goes...I don't care if McNutt is the Nobel-winning reincarnation of Carl Sagan. She's literally saying that her go-to for reviewing any new paper submitted to Science is to look at the work of journalists, to see if the article is noteworthy enough to continue. That's just wrong, if for no other reason than Science journalists don't cover stuff that isn't in a top journal (which is typically...Science!)

I didn't misquote her, and I'm not misinterpreting the meaning of her words. It's quite plain. All of the other responses were variations on...actually reading the paper. Hers is about using proxies to read the paper for her.

[1] Here are the bios of the writers for science.org/news:

https://www.science.org/content/author/eric-hand

I grant that a few have technical backgrounds or undergrad degrees, but all have subsequently become professional writers, or "science communicators".

Re: How to (seriously) read a scientific paper (2016)

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I see a lot of people who basically skip to the figures, and take them at face value, and read nothing more about the paper. When I read a paper I start with the abstract and go to the methods. then I inspect the figures carefully for the common tricks scientists play- axes tricks, overfitting, etc, looking to see whether I'm c onvinced the figures actually came from running an experiment, or just from copying and pa…

Yep. That's pretty much exactly my process for the sections.

Read Abstract.

Look over Methods.

Skim Conclusions.

And finally take a closer look at the Supplementary data (which is usually where I end up very happy or dissatisfied with the researchers)

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