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Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by wkirby »

I'm consistently surprised by the commenters on HN who seem to think jQuery is just a DOM selection library, when in fact it is a widely supported, incredibly stable tool set for (yes) DOM selection, but also attribute manipulation, Ajax requests, event handling, animation, and general utility functions. What's more, where there _is_ native functionality that replaces jQuery, the API is never as fluent.

For work that needs a little enhancement on top of server-side HTML, but not a full-blown JS UI framework, jQuery is a small price to pay for a stable, reliable, and cross-browser compatible dependency.

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by [deleted] »

andirk wrote: post #33

I like Vue's reactive nature the best (specifically `v-if`, `v-for`), but jQuery was the one that got me over the hump before I actually knew Javascript. And I encourage most projects that use a lot of jQuery to consider using jQuery's CDN version as there is like a 50%+ chance the person already has it cached on their system.

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Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by kentf »

thedangler wrote: post #37
technojunkie wrote: post #18

For those of you who are curious what drives jQuery in 2024 and beyond, you need to remember that WordPress is still more than 1/3 of the web, and the majority of installations and so many plugins critically rely on jQuery. Yes, seriously. Any advances to removing deprecated APIs or functions are great. jQuery will probably be around dominantly on the web for years to come.

I remember switching from mootools to jQuery back in 2006ish. Thought it was fantastic. Awesome it’s still around. We still use it from Time to time.

Don't forget Prototype (http://prototypejs.org/)

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by nsp »

andirk wrote: post #33

I like Vue's reactive nature the best (specifically `v-if`, `v-for`), but jQuery was the one that got me over the hump before I actually knew Javascript. And I encourage most projects that use a lot of jQuery to consider using jQuery's CDN version as there is like a 50%+ chance the person already has it cached on their system.

This hasn't been the case for about four years. Since you can use cache status to track people, resources are now cached per hostname requesting as well.

https://www.stefanjudis.com/notes/say-goodbye-to-resource-ca...

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by mhitza »

voidwtf wrote: post #2

In a world where many of us are actively trying to remove the last vestiges of jQuery, who is actively developing using jQuery? Genuinely curious. I’ve found that most of what I went to jQuery before is baked in now. querySelectorAll being the most powerful.

I wouldn't exclude the possibility of new developers that found some stackoverflow answer, or another, which suggests jQuery as the solution.

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by rjbwork »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #32
ecshafer wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, jQuery is awesome. People have been in love with the overly complex and fancy javascript frameworks for the last 15 years or so. But jQuery doing dynamic binding to dynamically generated forms for some error states and maybe an ajax calls is literally all the javascript you need in 99% of web pages and the rest is overkill. The industry is going to move away from the complexities to React and towards more of th…

jQuery is not awesome. It was awesome 15 years ago. Now it's completely outdated. It's very hard to reason about DOM that can be manually changed by any random piece of code. That's why declarative solutions like React/Vue/Svelte are so much better.

>It's very hard to reason about DOM

I don't mean to be overly snarky here, but as someone who's just totally out of their depth in modern web UI - is that why people like these frameworks? Because they're very easy to reason about? I've generally found them to be mountains and mountains of boilerplate and spaghetti, but I really do not have a wide base of experience to pull from on this topic.

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by tipiirai »

ecshafer wrote: post #23
technojunkie wrote: post #18

For those of you who are curious what drives jQuery in 2024 and beyond, you need to remember that WordPress is still more than 1/3 of the web, and the majority of installations and so many plugins critically rely on jQuery. Yes, seriously. Any advances to removing deprecated APIs or functions are great. jQuery will probably be around dominantly on the web for years to come.

Also, jQuery is awesome. People have been in love with the overly complex and fancy javascript frameworks for the last 15 years or so. But jQuery doing dynamic binding to dynamically generated forms for some error states and maybe an ajax calls is literally all the javascript you need in 99% of web pages and the rest is overkill. The industry is going to move away from the complexities to React and towards more of th…

Second to that: jQuery is awesome.

Or more specifically: the idea that websites can be built with vanilla HTML, CSS, and _optional_ JS. jQuery embraces progressive enhancement and separation of concerns pattern, which is quite the opposite of how websites are built these days. Web development starts with 10+ React import statements for components, CSS, images, and whatnot. JavaScript is a must, not optional.

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by rubymancer »

OccamsMirror wrote: post #3

With browsers having much better support with DOM selection, why would anyone be using jQuery in 2024? Not trying to throw shade, I actually think it's cool that it's still being worked on. But I'm confused as to what the use case is.

I love it for admin pages.

If only 20 internals are ever going to see it, jquery is as light as can be, can be loaded right from a CDN, needs no kind of transpilation and handles basically all you need.

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by genocidicbunny »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #32
ecshafer wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, jQuery is awesome. People have been in love with the overly complex and fancy javascript frameworks for the last 15 years or so. But jQuery doing dynamic binding to dynamically generated forms for some error states and maybe an ajax calls is literally all the javascript you need in 99% of web pages and the rest is overkill. The industry is going to move away from the complexities to React and towards more of th…

jQuery is not awesome. It was awesome 15 years ago. Now it's completely outdated. It's very hard to reason about DOM that can be manually changed by any random piece of code. That's why declarative solutions like React/Vue/Svelte are so much better.

> It's very hard to reason about DOM that can be manually changed by any random piece of code.

I think the parents point is that many websites don't need to change all that much DOM manually, automatically, or in any fashion. And I would agree with them, that for when the only 'dynamic' part of your site is one or two simple forms, and maybe a little carousel of images, jQuery may be perfectly awesome.

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