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Alaska Airlines flight 1282 NTSB preliminary report [pdf]

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Re: Alaska Airlines flight 1282 NTSB preliminary report [pdf]

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The largest US pilots union opposes it on pilot privacy grounds. (To be clear, I think having an expectation of vocal privacy while you are in charge of an airliner is absurd.)

Do you have a voice recording of you doing your entire job, every day of your life?

No but I also don't have the lives of 300 people in my hands.

Re: Alaska Airlines flight 1282 NTSB preliminary report [pdf]

#42
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are software engineer jobs where you need to keep your camera on during work hours to show you are in your seat.

These jobs do not attract the best software engineers.

They could with sufficient pay.

Re: Alaska Airlines flight 1282 NTSB preliminary report [pdf]

#43

The fact that a critical piece of the evidence was cell phone photos sent between workers coordinating door re-assembly doesn't exactly instill a whole lot of confidence in their permit-to-work process. I didn't like it when it was medical teams doing shift handover via a Google Doc, and I don't like it when it's a matter of flight safety either. Or, as Homer might eruditely say: "guess I forgot to put the bolts back…

> The investigation continues to determine what manufacturing documents were used to authorize the opening and closing of the left MED plug during the rivet rework.

I mean, there is already a ton of documentation and process surrounding the construction of an airplane. Adding more process doesn't safety make. Having a safety culture without the fear of retaliation, on the other hand, makes a world of difference.

Re: Alaska Airlines flight 1282 NTSB preliminary report [pdf]

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post #19

Depressurization happened around 17:12:33 PST but the aircraft continued to climb until 17:13:41 PST, and the autopilot was configured for 10k ft at 17:13:56 PST. Why did it take the pilots a full minute to begin an emergency descent after the failure? I would expect that the nature of the accident would be clear nearly immediately, at least in the need to descend the aircraft.

Step one is to put on the oxygen mask and establish communications. After the startle factor, the masks being put on, then declaring an emergency, a minute really isn’t that long.

Re: Alaska Airlines flight 1282 NTSB preliminary report [pdf]

#45
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The largest US pilots union opposes it on pilot privacy grounds. (To be clear, I think having an expectation of vocal privacy while you are in charge of an airliner is absurd.)

Do you have a voice recording of you doing your entire job, every day of your life?

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Re: Alaska Airlines flight 1282 NTSB preliminary report [pdf]

#46
post #14

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> How did this pass Boeing QA? https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/safety/146074-boeing-inte...

Just comment out the tests and they pass

Instead of Software Development becoming more like Aeronautical Engineering, every day, Aeronautical Engineering becomes more like Software Development...

Re: Alaska Airlines flight 1282 NTSB preliminary report [pdf]

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a voice recording of you doing your entire job, every day of your life?

If my job involved taking the lives of hundreds of humans in my hands, then I would expect that, at least during the hours in which said lives are my responsibility.

IMHO surgical theatres should have permanent multi-perspective cameras recording everything for the same reason.

Re: Alaska Airlines flight 1282 NTSB preliminary report [pdf]

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The largest US pilots union opposes it on pilot privacy grounds. (To be clear, I think having an expectation of vocal privacy while you are in charge of an airliner is absurd.)

Do you have a voice recording of you doing your entire job, every day of your life?

Many people do. Depends on the job.

Re: Alaska Airlines flight 1282 NTSB preliminary report [pdf]

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The largest US pilots union opposes it on pilot privacy grounds. (To be clear, I think having an expectation of vocal privacy while you are in charge of an airliner is absurd.)

Do you have a voice recording of you doing your entire job, every day of your life?

I did when I worked retail, and while I worked food service.

Re: Alaska Airlines flight 1282 NTSB preliminary report [pdf]

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> Overall, the observed damage patterns and absence of contact damage or deformation around holes associated with the vertical movement arrestor bolts and upper guide track bolts in the upper guide fittings, hinge fittings, and recovered aft lower hinge guide fitting indicate that the four bolts that prevent upward movement of the MED plug were missing before the MED plug moved upward off the stop pads. Ooofff. No bo…

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