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U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

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Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This only feels like a positive thing if there are no “bad guys” in the world.

Or if you’re a young man who wants to, you know, live.

This should scare young men because drafts exist.

Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

#44

I don't know how long the service is, but wouldn't providing high school therein be a win-win, then?

~90% of those who meet the age requirements have completed high school. Anyone who hasn't completed high school by that point almost certainly can't, and won't be accepted into the army for the same reason. The small number of exceptions who could, but have chosen not to, aren't exactly going to be attracted to the army if you force them into doing something they have explicitly chosen not to do.

Also, the article is from 2022 and the requirement was reinstated a week later, so this is moot anyway. At least as it pertains to the Army. Granted, the Navy lifted the same requirement on Friday. We shall see if they last longer than a week. There remains a strong social impetus, particularly in government, to paint a picture that you can't get a job without completing high school, even though everyone already completes it these days anyway...

Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

#45

A bit of sensationalism going on. They still have to pass a standardize test that mostly proves they have an IQ suitable for military service. There are people that could be a great soldier/servicemember that didn’t make it through high school. Some will flourish under a military environment that failed out of high school. I don’t really like people assuming somebody that didn’t graduate high school are somehow infer…

One thing it means is that they’re administering the test, not a school board. That may be relevant or ripe for abuse.

It would seem to be in their self interest to not skew the test results. The military has done a lot of research on their testing. A soldier that is too incompetent is a danger to his/her comrades. Previous attempts to recruit soldiers with too low of an IQ was a disaster. More danger than help.

I don’t really see how they would he less trustworthy than a school board. Especially considering the stakes.

Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

#46
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Oh good, so we continue to exploit the uneducated for our military so they won't realize how little we actually support veterans until it's too late.

Somewhat offensive to myself that because I don't have a high school diploma I don't have the agency to join the armed forces.

It’s somewhat more likely that you don’t statistically, yes. Admittedly I don’t really get the point when they already aptitude test, but I also like to hate the military so whatever.

Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

#47

Less people being willing to go fight and die in pointless wars is at least a small positive sign for society.

I grew up in an "anti-military" household but tried to sign up when I had no opportunities after leaving high school without a diploma (and was turned away). I wasn't trying to sign up to fight -- just to survive. It's clear that many who do sign up do so for the same reason.

We collectively agreed on a national jobs program (via the military), so we should consider redirecting a significant portion of those jobs to a national jobs program that actually helps with domestic infrastructure with an emphasis on learning skills that translate into private sector opportunities.

Then let those that do want to fight be the ones to sign up, and make more effective use of them. I'm still not a fan of the military industrial complex but national defense will always be necessary and should be staffed for defense rather than just keeping people off the dole.

Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

#48

Missing in discussions about the US military recruiting problem is a discussion of the shift away from 20 year defined benefit pensions to the “Blended Retirement System.” When such a terrific deal slides off the table, economic incentives shift accordingly.

I disagree, the high 3 wasnt a good system. The difference between 2.0 and 2.5 % is minimal when you can completely lose the whole shebang at anytime for reasons that have nothing to do with your competence at any time between day 1 all the way through day 7304.

Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

#49

A bit of sensationalism going on. They still have to pass a standardize test that mostly proves they have an IQ suitable for military service. There are people that could be a great soldier/servicemember that didn’t make it through high school. Some will flourish under a military environment that failed out of high school. I don’t really like people assuming somebody that didn’t graduate high school are somehow infer…

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Re: U.S. army drops requirement for high school diploma (2022)

#50

A bit of sensationalism going on. They still have to pass a standardize test that mostly proves they have an IQ suitable for military service. There are people that could be a great soldier/servicemember that didn’t make it through high school. Some will flourish under a military environment that failed out of high school. I don’t really like people assuming somebody that didn’t graduate high school are somehow infer…

One thing it means is that they’re administering the test, not a school board. That may be relevant or ripe for abuse.

wouldn't be the first time -- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000
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