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An illustrated guide to post-Orwellian censorship (2021)

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Re: An illustrated guide to post-Orwellian censorship (2021)

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Post by gotoeleven »

photochemsyn wrote: post #7

This article is a bit narrow in scope, e.g. > "Horrified by Stalin’s Soviet Union and Hitler’s Germany, Orwell spun a tale that continues to color how we picture state censorship in controlled societies." Orwell was equally 'horrified' by the British Empire's imperialist practices, which he documented in then-Burma. See "Shooting an Elephant" for example: George Orwell: "I had already made up my mind that imperialism…

You're right when I search google for "palestinian mole kingdom rape tunnels" I only see articles written from the israeli perspective, decrying mole kingdom rape tunnels.

Re: An illustrated guide to post-Orwellian censorship (2021)

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pixl97 wrote: post #25
Vicinity9635 wrote: post #22

Meanwhile, this censored post: How strange they focus on Russia or China, rather than the censorship and propaganda being done by the US, given they are a US university. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39121693 HN is ridiculous sometimes.

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Re: An illustrated guide to post-Orwellian censorship (2021)

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Post by archagon »

Vicinity9635 wrote: post #22

Meanwhile, this censored post: How strange they focus on Russia or China, rather than the censorship and propaganda being done by the US, given they are a US university. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39121693 HN is ridiculous sometimes.

“Censored”? It’s still visible, and also, maybe most people just think it’s a silly assertion.

Re: An illustrated guide to post-Orwellian censorship (2021)

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Post by dang »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #20
kmeisthax wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of what the Church of Scientology did to USENET's alt.religion.scientology newsgroup[0]. More generally, I think the Internet is unusually useful for this kind of attack. The netheads that built it had a very specific political view - namely, that censorship is network interference with a political motive. "The Internet views censorship as damage and routes around it", and all that. Ergo, all we have to do…

Meta comment: this is the second comment within a couple of weeks that's critical of Scientology that's fairly quickly attracted down votes. Ironic?

Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Worse, when the GP comment eventually gets upvoted (as happened above), replies like this one become dangling references to a situation that no longer exists. HN threads have no GC!

Re: An illustrated guide to post-Orwellian censorship (2021)

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Post by dang »

pixl97 wrote: post #25
Vicinity9635 wrote: post #22

Meanwhile, this censored post: How strange they focus on Russia or China, rather than the censorship and propaganda being done by the US, given they are a US university. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39121693 HN is ridiculous sometimes.

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Please don't do this here. It's against the site guidelines, which include: "Omit internet tropes."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: An illustrated guide to post-Orwellian censorship (2021)

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Post by enterprise_cog »

archagon wrote: post #43
Vicinity9635 wrote: post #22

Meanwhile, this censored post: How strange they focus on Russia or China, rather than the censorship and propaganda being done by the US, given they are a US university. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39121693 HN is ridiculous sometimes.

“Censored”? It’s still visible, and also, maybe most people just think it’s a silly assertion.

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Re: An illustrated guide to post-Orwellian censorship (2021)

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Post by archagon »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #46
archagon wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Censored”? It’s still visible, and also, maybe most people just think it’s a silly assertion.

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If it was flagged within 5 minutes of you posting it, that means a ton of people found it highly disagreeable within a very short period of time.

I've posted unpopular comments before, and the threshold for actually getting a comment removed is (IMO) quite high.

Re: An illustrated guide to post-Orwellian censorship (2021)

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Post by rainworld »

331c8c71 wrote: post #29
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a shameless willingness to disseminate partial truths or outright fictions I remember an informative presentation about Russian history and culture which seems to go along with this, in particular the bit about "two words for the truth and three for the lie". https://youtu.be/kF9KretXqJw?t=2257 (time-stamped at the relevant portion but the whole talk is good)

Well I don't know about Finns but in Western Europe Russians are often considered to be a bit too direct or even blunt. Kinda contradicts the "lying culture" hypothesis. EDIT. I watched the video a bit more and I could not take it seriously after seeing the part about "technological backwardness" that apparently always was there. That's just charged propaganda and there is nothing to discuss.

Finns still sore about losing the Winter War. Which they lost. They were defeated. They had to tap out. It’s just that they were smart enough to concede and trade a good chunk of their territory for continued statehood. A lesson lost in time.

Re: An illustrated guide to post-Orwellian censorship (2021)

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Post by text0404 »

gsinclair wrote: post #18
photochemsyn wrote: post #7

This article is a bit narrow in scope, e.g. > "Horrified by Stalin’s Soviet Union and Hitler’s Germany, Orwell spun a tale that continues to color how we picture state censorship in controlled societies." Orwell was equally 'horrified' by the British Empire's imperialist practices, which he documented in then-Burma. See "Shooting an Elephant" for example: George Orwell: "I had already made up my mind that imperialism…

I don’t get it. I see Palestinian advocacy all over the place.

"Prominent US figures face backlash and firings for pro-Palestinian statements" - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/29/israel-pales...

"‘The Palestine exception’: why pro-Palestinian voices are suppressed in the US" - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/01/palestine-us-a...

"House Passes Resolution Declaring Anti-Zionism A Form Of Antisemitism—Some Democrats Are Critical" - https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/12/05/house-p...

being coerced into silence for fear of professional retaliation is a form of censorship.

Re: An illustrated guide to post-Orwellian censorship (2021)

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Post by [deleted] »

gotoeleven wrote: post #41
photochemsyn wrote: post #7

This article is a bit narrow in scope, e.g. > "Horrified by Stalin’s Soviet Union and Hitler’s Germany, Orwell spun a tale that continues to color how we picture state censorship in controlled societies." Orwell was equally 'horrified' by the British Empire's imperialist practices, which he documented in then-Burma. See "Shooting an Elephant" for example: George Orwell: "I had already made up my mind that imperialism…

You're right when I search google for "palestinian mole kingdom rape tunnels" I only see articles written from the israeli perspective, decrying mole kingdom rape tunnels.

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