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Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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Why would they have offered to buy them in the first place then?

Frontier made an offer for Spirit.

This. As best I understand, JetBlue is interested in the airport slots that Spirit currently holds across the country, because those are pretty much entirely locked up. To become a major national airline (which seems to JetBlue's goal specifically), you need these slots.

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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The problem is that Spirit is but going to survive 2024. Between their debt situation and a number of their A320 Neos about to be grounded thanks to a Pratt and Whitney eff-up, they won't be around long enough to keep anything competitive.

If that's the case, why does JetBlue want to acquire them now? Why not wait until they file for bankruptcy protection, and likely get a much better deal?

They'll have to compete with others on all the individual bits that way. No one else wants all of Spirit, but given the opportunity to pick and choose, some aircraft and landing slots are likely to be competed for.

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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Besides that it's a bad ruling because the US spent years allowing mergers between large players that were clearly anti-competitive, and now in the environment of dominant airlines, it's applying the rules that it should have to the big players, but to smaller airlines who are now at a disadvantage due to their size. It's an utterly feckless uneven application of the rules to everyone's detriment. You couldn't have d…

Yes this is terrible. All it does is ensure Spirit will continue to be terrible until it goes under and prevent a major competitor from arising for the big 3 airlines. The doublespeak required to say that keeping Spirit as it is pushes air ticket prices down is baffling, unless we are to assume that the quality that you get with Spirit is in any way comparable to the large airlines (it's not). It's almost like saying…

1) The “quality” of spirit is just fine. They explicitly market themselves as a budget airline and that’s what you get. A lot of people just want the cheapest ticket to go from A to B and they provide it. Personally, I have enough disposable income to pay more for another airline, but sometimes the difference is so dramatic that I will take spirit. When I’m traveling with my two young kids, having a reclining seat and better flight attendants makes a marginal difference to an already difficult situation.

2) Their ticket prices are often a fraction of the others. Even if service quality is lower, I’d be surprised if it wasn’t pushing down overall prices.

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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I am personally happy with this decision. I don’t love flying spirit but I respect them, ever since hearing their former CEO speak on a Planet Money podcast.

He said straight up that Spirit Airlines is aiming to be the Dollar General of the skies. If you want something luxurious, go elsewhere. But he called out the other airlines who pretend like they are the Nordstrom of the skies, but don’t actually live up to that.

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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Ironically I think Spirit’s big front seats are the best value in the sky in terms of price and comfort, and they’re usually available if you book early enough.

> big front seats Do you mean business class?

The seats are about as big as domestic first class on other airlines, but you don’t get upgraded service (e.g. free meals/drinks).

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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The problem is that Spirit is but going to survive 2024. Between their debt situation and a number of their A320 Neos about to be grounded thanks to a Pratt and Whitney eff-up, they won't be around long enough to keep anything competitive.

If this is the case, then an acquisition to prevent a competitor from going bankrupt should generally not be anti-competitive? Since, they would no longer be your competition anyways?

It could be seen as pro consumer, but it also could be seen as anti competitive. Spirit going under would open up space for a new competitor to potentially move in.

An analogy would be two competing gas stations at a very busy intersection with no plots nearby to build more stations. Just by existing they either drive each other down on price or collude on it. One going under means a new station could exist, but one buying the other guarantees prices do not go down.

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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This is a bad ruling, Spirit is likely to go under without acquisition. Neither firm had particularly large share of market.

Besides that it's a bad ruling because the US spent years allowing mergers between large players that were clearly anti-competitive, and now in the environment of dominant airlines, it's applying the rules that it should have to the big players, but to smaller airlines who are now at a disadvantage due to their size. It's an utterly feckless uneven application of the rules to everyone's detriment. You couldn't have d…

So it's a bad ruling because previous administrations didn't try to enforce anti monopoly laws?

Why not view it as, this is a good start and hoping it continues to prevent even more consolidation and monopoly in airlines and other industries? The notion that there has to be more consolidation to compete is only good for the companies monopolizing - not the consumer. Why should we be helping them make more profit by abusing market power versus delivering better products and competing?

Re: Judge blocks JetBlue from acquiring Spirit Airlines

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Besides that it's a bad ruling because the US spent years allowing mergers between large players that were clearly anti-competitive, and now in the environment of dominant airlines, it's applying the rules that it should have to the big players, but to smaller airlines who are now at a disadvantage due to their size. It's an utterly feckless uneven application of the rules to everyone's detriment. You couldn't have d…

Yes this is terrible. All it does is ensure Spirit will continue to be terrible until it goes under and prevent a major competitor from arising for the big 3 airlines. The doublespeak required to say that keeping Spirit as it is pushes air ticket prices down is baffling, unless we are to assume that the quality that you get with Spirit is in any way comparable to the large airlines (it's not). It's almost like saying…

Don't make the mistake of assuming everyone requires the same level of quality as you do. Some people just want to go from A to B as cheap as possible. Want more quality? Pick a different option.
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