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This further undermines the "are they supposed to let Android users use iMessage for free?" defense, given that these users already bought a Mac. And now those paying customers eat hardware bans for using their own hardware in a way Apple doesn't like.
Went from "Here's to the crazy ones" to "we'll punish our customers for not jumping how we say" in 30 years.
This is Beeper, a for-profit company, throwing a tantrum, violating the ToS of Apple but leaving Beeper's users and their friends holding the bag.
I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?
It just works. As soon as I log into my Apple account on any Apple device I can access all of my messages, and seamlessly carry on a conversation on whatever device is at hand. It works with SMS as well, and I just don't have to think about it.
I know that WhatsApp is similar, but their desktop app, especially authentication, kinda sucks (I need my phone to login, and it seemingly logs me out weekly). Whatsapp is also FILLED with weird porn spam, and scammers.
I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?
- Extremely responsive, native, fast app with no clutter whatsoever, on both phones and on desktop devices (personally, I highly dislike web/electron apps)
- Close to no spam (whatsapp in particular seems to have a ton, way worse than Telegram even)
- Highest quality (amongst all the apps) audio/video calls with Facetime
- e2e encrypted by default, does not have the unconscious bias that you’re using a Facebook owned product for doing something secure, even if it really is (and as far as power users go, I don’t really particularly dislike the company like many do)
My next favorite messenger, that does Groups better than iMessage, is Telegram. I don’t wish to get into the privacy concerns (and it’s valid!) but as far as making a responsive, native app that does chat and does it well, it’s pretty superior to both Whatsapp and Signal.
gTalk of old was amazing, but I don’t think that’s coming back :(
Calling this “retaliation” is rather dramatic. There are a number of communication platforms that don’t allow 3rd party apps to access their networks and will ban people who attempt it.
What would you call it other than retaliation? Punishment? Surprise behavior?
I fully support interoperability. But it needs to be done through regulation and standards.
Not through intentional abuse of the platform for monetary gains.
I don't understand the obsession with imessage, what is so special about it?
Let's open WhatsApp… It's recommending that I follow channels. Do I want to follow Man City, Real Madrid, or FC Barcelona? I watch zero sports and want nothing to do with any of this. I've used the app a handful of times over the years, yet I have three threads/groups from December that are cryptocurrency, investment, and market insight scams. To me, the interface also looks bad—and it's a Facebook product. Signal is…
I loved signal when it was my MMS client. It did what iMessage did, only for android, and it worked in my mixed env (Mac, android).
Now no more mms. I have stories now. I didn't get signal for stories, I didn't want an encrypted social network.
Yeah this isn’t surprising, I’ve had this happen to hackintoshes over the years. Apple has always had the ability to ban serials from iMessage afaict, and it also (seemed) to be some automated process. It was frankly pretty risky to tell people to use their real machines for this.
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That sounds like a great way to get people on your side.
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What would you call it other than retaliation? Punishment? Surprise behavior?
Protecting the security and integrity of the platform. I fully support interoperability. But it needs to be done through regulation and standards. Not through intentional abuse of the platform for monetary gains.
If Apple doesn't like the particular way Beeper works, they're free to give them a better API to use.
Calling this “retaliation” is rather dramatic. There are a number of communication platforms that don’t allow 3rd party apps to access their networks and will ban people who attempt it.
What would you call it other than retaliation? Punishment? Surprise behavior?
It's no different than if you get caught running cheat software in an online game.
The company isn't "retaliating" against you, or even "punishing" you -- they're just banning you. You broke the rules and that's what happens.
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Let's open WhatsApp… It's recommending that I follow channels. Do I want to follow Man City, Real Madrid, or FC Barcelona? I watch zero sports and want nothing to do with any of this. I've used the app a handful of times over the years, yet I have three threads/groups from December that are cryptocurrency, investment, and market insight scams. To me, the interface also looks bad—and it's a Facebook product. Signal is…
> Signal is great for certain times and places, but as a daily app it's still a bit clunky and not widely adopted. I loved signal when it was my MMS client. It did what iMessage did, only for android, and it worked in my mixed env (Mac, android). Now no more mms. I have stories now. I didn't get signal for stories, I didn't want an encrypted social network.
It made totally sense to go this way.