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Re: Facebook bans ads for Votes for Women boardgame, claims "sensitive social issue"

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The quote says “capitalist democracy” is an oxymoron. If Thiel is pro-capitalism he thinks democracy is a problem. If he is pro-democracy he thinks capitalism is a problem.

in what way? I think we collectively figured out democracy doesn't work a few thousand years ago. That's why we have a democratic republic.

Direct democracy works perfectly fine, thanks for asking. Greetings, a Swiss

Re: Facebook bans ads for Votes for Women boardgame, claims "sensitive social issue"

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Yes, that is what he said. Welfare beneficiaries and women are two groups libertarians find are tough constituencies to appeal to, and both of these groups have increased in size since 1920.

The quote says “capitalist democracy” is an oxymoron. If Thiel is pro-capitalism he thinks democracy is a problem. If he is pro-democracy he thinks capitalism is a problem.

which is true in the sense that capitalism (so far in history) has disenfranchised those who do the actual labor which generated the capital.

How can society be democratic if the workplace is not?

Re: Facebook bans ads for Votes for Women boardgame, claims "sensitive social issue"

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Yes, that is what he said. Welfare beneficiaries and women are two groups libertarians find are tough constituencies to appeal to, and both of these groups have increased in size since 1920.

i care little for whatever is going on here but you seem to be purposely ignoring the last part of the sentence. extra welfare + women voting, (both difficult for libertarians blah blah), have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron. edit: downvote all you like, it doesn't magically make a quarter of a sentence not exist.

You really need to train your reading comprehension

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Is Peter Thiel's opposition to Women's Suffrage still policy at Facebook? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-women-democracy_n...

This is the first I'm hearing about this, but "opposition to women's suffrage" seems like a significant misreading. The attitude of "I disagree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it", certainly can apply to voting too, and seems to be at work in this case.

That's the slippery slope people who want to take away rights exploit. Sure, you can believe women shouldn't vote. You can even go around telling people you believe women shouldn't vote. But just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should. If you say you don't believe freedom and democracy are incompatible, I am absolutely going to judge you for it because it's a stupid belief for which there is no evidence. There are several free democratic nations, a much larger number of unfree democratic nations, but there are no free undemocratic nations. And it doesn't take a degree in sociology to figure out why that is the case.

Re: Facebook bans ads for Votes for Women boardgame, claims "sensitive social issue"

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quote says “capitalist democracy” is an oxymoron. If Thiel is pro-capitalism he thinks democracy is a problem. If he is pro-democracy he thinks capitalism is a problem.

in what way? I think we collectively figured out democracy doesn't work a few thousand years ago. That's why we have a democratic republic.

In any reasonable person's mind, a democratic republic (as seen by internet libertarians and conservatives) is a subset of democracy. Same with the democratic monarchies of Northern Europe, and the (more) direct democracy of Switzerland. Splitting them up just confuses people, and makes your point harder to communicate and understand.

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He doesn't say either of those things. Considering the context of a pro-libertarian text, what it means is that the capitalism part of "capitalist democracy" is losing significance as the US is moving more towards a EU-style social democracy. But we all choose to believe what we want to believe. He certainly never said he opposed women's suffrage, as the original commenter claimed.

> the US is moving more towards a EU-style social democracy. The US is doing no such thing :-)

The US pays more as a percentage of GDP into social spending than Canada or Australia, and only a few percentage points behind the UK and the Netherlands - https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/social-spending-oecd-long...

Hell, American unemployment is already quite a lot more (as a percentage of previous income) than I'd get in the UK.

Re: Facebook bans ads for Votes for Women boardgame, claims "sensitive social issue"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quote says “capitalist democracy” is an oxymoron. If Thiel is pro-capitalism he thinks democracy is a problem. If he is pro-democracy he thinks capitalism is a problem.

There is a leap between "X is bad for me" and "X should be banned" . Some people make that leap automatically without even realizing it and assume that everybody else makes that leap too. So for instance, if I say "Soda rots teeth" some people will become indignant, "So you want soda banned?? People have a right to drink what they want you tyrant!" The trouble is that generally people don't make this leap automatical…

Peter Thiel might have been a libertarian in 2009, but he's not a libertarian anymore. He's jumped fully onto the nationalist conservative train. https://reason.com/2020/08/02/wait-wasnt-peter-thiel-a-liber...

Re: Facebook bans ads for Votes for Women boardgame, claims "sensitive social issue"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that is what he said. Welfare beneficiaries and women are two groups libertarians find are tough constituencies to appeal to, and both of these groups have increased in size since 1920.

The quote says “capitalist democracy” is an oxymoron. If Thiel is pro-capitalism he thinks democracy is a problem. If he is pro-democracy he thinks capitalism is a problem.

He thinks democracy and freedom are not compatible.

>Most importantly, I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible. https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

Re: Facebook bans ads for Votes for Women boardgame, claims "sensitive social issue"

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Is Peter Thiel's opposition to Women's Suffrage still policy at Facebook? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-women-democracy_n...

What an asinine comment. What is it about Thiel that makes otherwise regular users shift into a reddit-dunk frenzy? He's just a guy, if you even read what you linked you'd find it pretty obvious that's not at all what he meant.

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in what way? I think we collectively figured out democracy doesn't work a few thousand years ago. That's why we have a democratic republic.

never understood why conservative and libertarians americans want to make a difference between republic and democracy, it is literally in the definition of "republic" that it should be a democracy

Because it lets them make the implication that the Democratic party is un-American. And also that somehow the language is unfairly biased against them.

It's absurd, just like the bizarre fetish for using the term "Democrat party" as some kind of slur. But that's the essence of American politics now: a constant culture war, where the primary thing people want out of elections is to hurt the other side rather than pursue actual political goals.

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