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UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by runarberg »

tptacek wrote: post #40
runarberg wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This particular criticism is not directed at Israel, but at countries supporting Israel, such as the USA and the UK. The point is that human rights violations are enabled and even supported by third countries when Israel is the perpetrator, but not when Russia is the perpetrator.

Again: the situations are not comparable. Russia was unprovoked and has a stated objective of annexing a sovereign country. Israel is in fact under military threat (was, in fact, attacked, gravely), from territory it has occupied since 1967. It is unsurprising that the international responses are not equivalent. A short way to sum this up is: regardless of the distaste many in the west (myself included) have for the…

Again: When it comes to crimes against humanity, that doesn’t matter. Signatories to the Geneva convention convention are expected to uphold international humanitarian laws even when greater crimes are committed against them. The same applies to the Genocide convention. The international community is supposed to punish signatories which violate these convention, and in the case of Israel, they routinely don’t.

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by tptacek »

runarberg wrote: post #41
tptacek wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again: the situations are not comparable. Russia was unprovoked and has a stated objective of annexing a sovereign country. Israel is in fact under military threat (was, in fact, attacked, gravely), from territory it has occupied since 1967. It is unsurprising that the international responses are not equivalent. A short way to sum this up is: regardless of the distaste many in the west (myself included) have for the…

Again: When it comes to crimes against humanity, that doesn’t matter. Signatories to the Geneva convention convention are expected to uphold international humanitarian laws even when greater crimes are committed against them. The same applies to the Genocide convention. The international community is supposed to punish signatories which violate these convention, and in the case of Israel, they routinely don’t.

It in fact matters a great deal, as you can see.

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by runarberg »

tptacek wrote: post #42
runarberg wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again: When it comes to crimes against humanity, that doesn’t matter. Signatories to the Geneva convention convention are expected to uphold international humanitarian laws even when greater crimes are committed against them. The same applies to the Genocide convention. The international community is supposed to punish signatories which violate these convention, and in the case of Israel, they routinely don’t.

It in fact matters a great deal, as you can see.

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Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by tptacek »

runarberg wrote: post #43
tptacek wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It in fact matters a great deal, as you can see.

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No, I'm saying that military aid to Ukraine and Israel are orthogonal to international criminal concerns about the way both conflicts are being prosecuted.

Everything you wrote following the word "should" was abusive. Please don't write things like that; I've done nothing to merit incivility from you.

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by johnnyworker »

wslh wrote: post #36
johnnyworker wrote: post #35

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What does "war" have to do with dropping 2000lbs bombs in one of the most densely populated areas of the world, bombing refugee camps, stripping people in the streets, sniping a 70 year old women with a white flag and fleeing with a child, destroying streets just to make Gaza unlivable, singing about how there are no innocent civilians in Gaza, spraying demented graffitis in the homes of Palestinians that are either…

Are you saying that this is a planned genocide order executed by the IDF? I was just looking at your profile [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=johnnyworker

So you can't answer the question, instead of making it about me. Called it?

So, are you denying it? Here's IDF dancing chanting genocidal stuff. And what they showed is nothing compared to what's out there. As the SA legal team said, the refrained from shock value. Let me know if you need more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G15NyemgYDM&t=4548s

(isn't it "funny" how like 1% of the Western Channels that reported on Israel's "defense" didn't say a peep about the day before that? That's a matter of record now, too, another thing that won't be forgotten nor forgiven. The casual treatment people in Palestine like vermin, if not just collateral, was heard around the world. The people who are already tired of hearing that are in for such a rough ride.)

There's taxis and busses with genocidal slogans driving around. This goes way deeper than the prime minister, countless other ministers and Knesset members, IDF generals and IDF soldiers.

https://twitter.com/ireallyhateyou/status/174508838519726080...

Jason Hickel put it well:

> The US and UK are bombing Yemen, one of the poorest countries in the world, so that Israel can continue its genocide and mass displacement of the Palestinian people in Gaza without disruption. That's the reality we're in.

While Jason Cameron can't answer the question if turning off water is a breach of international humanitarian law because "he's not a lawyer".

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by dd_xplore »

fckhsbra wrote: post #14
rythmshifter wrote: post #13

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1. It's not clear what that expression actually means; how is the population of Gaza used as "human shields"? 2. Even if it was true, does that then justify murdering them? When there is hostage taking in, say, a supermarket the police tries their best to stop only the hostage taker(s) and not their victim(s); they certainly don't bomb the entire supermarket from the sky causing 500 casualties. Many Western countries…

so they should just let themselves be killed?

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by wslh »

johnnyworker wrote: post #45
wslh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that this is a planned genocide order executed by the IDF? I was just looking at your profile [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=johnnyworker

So you can't answer the question, instead of making it about me. Called it? So, are you denying it? Here's IDF dancing chanting genocidal stuff. And what they showed is nothing compared to what's out there. As the SA legal team said, the refrained from shock value. Let me know if you need more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G15NyemgYDM&t=4548s (isn't it "funny" how like 1% of the Western Channels that reported on I…

Let's see what happens in the ICJ which works in the real ruling.

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by racketcon2089 »

rrook wrote: post #7
iwontberude wrote: post #4

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If the US strong armed Israel into a cease fire and to open the blockade on Gaza, two things the US could do if it had the political will, this would stop the Houthi's from attacking ships in the Red Sea. They claim to be fighting against nations supporting the genocide. Seems like they are rational actors even thought I disagree with their methods. Why not deescalate the situation in Gaza and kill two birds with one…

> If the US strong armed Israel into a cease fire and to open the blockade on Gaza, two things the US could do if it had the political will, this would stop the Houthi's from attacking ships in the Red Sea. This is advocating that two wrongs can make a right, which I fully reject. The degree to which the human suffering happening in Gaza should be stopped is in NO WAY impacted by more malicious harm being caused to o…

Saying that supporting a government which has made dozens of public statements that convey unambigious genocidal intent with the actions that seem in line with this intent is one wrong.

Taking military action to apply pressure the first group to stop is not considered an equal wrong by governments which represent approximately 96% of people on earth.

If you think the vast majority of humanity is engaged in passively or actively allowing a second wrong, is the 4% justified in using violence to stop the second wrong while providing critical military, economic, and political assistance for the first one?

I wonder if it's possible to describe this as a series of logical axioms or if there's some kind of special pleading going on here. It doesn't seem to be a logically consistent position to me, and since that's also the position of an overwhelming supermajority of people who have reviewed public statements made by Israeli decsionmakers, I'd say the burden of proof is on you.

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by racketcon2089 »

remarkEon wrote: post #28
stats111 wrote: post #2

The UK and US cares more about shipping lanes than living breathing human beings in Gaza.

Comments like these operate from a premise that the UK/US are some kind of global Empire that is picking and choosing where it gets involved. In some ways, that's actually true. But not true enough, unfortunately in my opinion, for your comment to accurately describe the decision making process going on within UK/US leadership circles. I genuinely wish it were so that the US were powerful enough such that some junior…

I don't understand what you're saying: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/world/reagan-demands-end-...

Are you saying that Israel has received less military and economic aid since? Are you saying that President of the United States is unavailable for some reason? Or are you saying that the newspaper article from 42 years ago is false or misleading?

Re: UK and US strikes against Houthis under way in Yemen, say US officials

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Post by racketcon2089 »

rythmshifter wrote: post #13
huytersd wrote: post #9

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As someone that’s generally pro Israel on most things, they are literally massacring men, women and children. They’re culling them like sheep. The response to freedom fighters mounting a resistance shouldn’t be genocide.

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We're talking about Israel intentionally killing their own hostages, right?
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