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Looming Groupocalypse: The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh

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Re: Looming Groupocalypse: The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh

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They erase their own history: https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.java/c/aSPAJO05LIU/m/u...

From the top of the page:

>Viewing and searching of historical data will still be supported as it is done today.

Disclosure: I work at Google (or at least I hope I still do), but not on this.

Re: Looming Groupocalypse: The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh

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I’ve heard of Usenet, but never used it. It was once (maybe ~15 years ago) advertised as an alternative to torrents, but I don’t get the vibe that’s the primary use case. What can I do with Usenet? The internet has become so boring, I’d be open to exploring something else, but I’ve got no idea what Usenet is.

In case you haven't noticed, the submitted link takes you to the web interface for a subset of groups on a personal usenet server, and it has some guides on using it.

Re: Looming Groupocalypse: The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh

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Usenet is not controlled by a big corporation, that is what threatens its existence. You didn't need Meta or X or Instagram to exchange information. Algorithms didn't decide what you get to see or not. You weren't forced to consume large amounts of ads and you weren't tracked. This is very bad! :) Can we, somehow, revive Usenet or build a better version of it?

The role of Usenet now is filled by the fediverse.

I'm not aware of anything that fills the role that Usenet filled. What does this? I'd be very interested in such a thing.

Re: Looming Groupocalypse: The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh

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She was Canadian. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_(Canadian_band)#Name_di...

Unexpectedly wholesome resolution to the name dispute!

Seems like a Canadian artist thing to do

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_from_Above_1979#You're_a...

Re: Looming Groupocalypse: The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh

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> in fact usenet was often the source of the binaries which then made their way to the torrent services Nah, it was always topsites and I strongly suspect they still are.

What is topsites?

even twenty years after shutdown of the one I was ... hrm ... helping with ... I am reluctant to talk so please read https://www.wired.com/2005/01/topsite/ instead

Re: Looming Groupocalypse: The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh

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What is topsites?

even twenty years after shutdown of the one I was ... hrm ... helping with ... I am reluctant to talk so please read https://www.wired.com/2005/01/topsite/ instead

Thanks, this is going to be an interesting read!

Re: Looming Groupocalypse: The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh

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> I’ve heard of Usenet, but never used it. It was big in the 90s. Well, 'big'. Before we had forums. You can think of it like public email. You got access through a usenet server, often provided by your ISP or University, and it had groups for more or less everything going. Servers would peer the data between them, though server admins would often have a whitelist of groups that they would replicate. Images were tran…

> in fact usenet was often the source of the binaries which then made their way to the torrent services Nah, it was always topsites and I strongly suspect they still are.

Yeah fair enough, they were/are the beating heart of the scene. I always assumed usenet was somehow 'closer' to the source than the public trackers, but :shrug:

Re: Looming Groupocalypse: The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh

#48

Usenet is not controlled by a big corporation, that is what threatens its existence. You didn't need Meta or X or Instagram to exchange information. Algorithms didn't decide what you get to see or not. You weren't forced to consume large amounts of ads and you weren't tracked. This is very bad! :) Can we, somehow, revive Usenet or build a better version of it?

People are working on this. In particular Retro Guy has one very good web front end that is really the only viable replacement for Google Groups at this point. Look for Rocksolid Light (rslight) on gitlab.

The source code is here: https://gitlab.com/rslight-public/rocksolid-light

The live demo site is here: https://news.novabbs.org/rocksolid/index.php

It has a retro look on purpose. There are several themes included and it is really easy to create a new theme CSS file.

You can run a peer to carry text groups on a raspberry pi or a cheap VPS. Visit the rocksolid.* hierarchy on Usenet if you have questions about running a peer. Please don't ask questions about Rocksolid here on HN, as that would not benefit the people learning in the newsgroups.

Disclosure: I am not the maintainer of Rocksolid Light and I am not promoting my own product. I just like the software and I think the maintainer has the right ideas and right attitude of retro-styled usability in his project.

Re: Looming Groupocalypse: The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh

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Usenet did not have moderators right? Reddit was more of a "run-a-forum as a service". But the Big Drama made it clear that it's Reddit's forum, not yours. Bait and switch.

> Usenet did not have moderators right? It depends on the newsgroup. Some of them did. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_newsgroup

There are still active, moderated newsgroups. The majority of them have dried up, but some are still relevant.

Re: Looming Groupocalypse: The Google Groupsspaggheddon Cometh

#50

I’ve heard of Usenet, but never used it. It was once (maybe ~15 years ago) advertised as an alternative to torrents, but I don’t get the vibe that’s the primary use case. What can I do with Usenet? The internet has become so boring, I’d be open to exploring something else, but I’ve got no idea what Usenet is.

> What can I do with Usenet?

You can enjoy threaded discussion in unmoderated groups without worrying about viewpoint censorship.

You can run your own NNTP peer and create your own newsgroups for your own community.

You can use a threaded newsreader application (like Thunderbird or Seamonkey or Claws Mail) which is much more efficient and organized than web forums.

> ... but I’ve got no idea what Usenet is.

You can start exploring Usenet here: https://news.novabbs.org

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