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The fact that I didn't notice because I'm using Kagi anyway is probably one of the first hints at Google's downfall w.r.t. search dominance.

A bit hyperbolic, aren't we?

Count me in for the destruction of the do-be-evil giant, but we're far from it not being absolutely dominant in the space.

I didn't even know what Kagi was.

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Seems unlikely they'd want to sabotage Firefox. Google is Firefox' primary source of income, and Firefox is strategically crucial token competition that stands between Google and an antitrust lawsuit of the sort Microsoft faced in the early 2000s (where Microsoft were basically a technicality away from being broken up).

Google is currently facing an antitrust suit where their payment to Firefox is a crucial part of the evidence against them. And it's over their search engine, which is far more important to them than Chrome. They pay Firefox as they're buying a valuable product. Which is why they also pay Safari.

Are you certain that search is more important than chrome?

Sure search was their first product, but they have long since pivoted to being an ad company. And while yes, they can show ads along side search, the real cash cow is all the juicy data they can exclusively hoover up through Chrome to better target ads all across the web not just search.

Re: www.google.com – The page is blank when accessed

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9 minutes ago: > Since this has now been posted to HN, I'll be locking this thread. This bugtracker is a work place, not a discussion forum. We have a bad fame.

Our bad reputation is not entirely undeserved, some of us are not as well behaved as others.

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Is there any legitimate use for UA string sniffing vs feature detection? And what could a search engine possibly do that's so bleeding edge it doesn't work in all browsers?

Google provides a more basic webpage for older browsers.

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Some middle manager out there was making this decision. Not strategy heads

Strategy heads come up with the strategy - friction. Enough friction against Firefox will let the browser still exist (essential for the claim that there is competition) but without actually being able to compete. Middle management finds a tactic that implements the friction strategy - small "random" breaks and persistent performance issues. An engineer would find the precise measure to implement - break the UA strin…

Sometimes! And sometimes a middle manager just does what he thinks clears the ticket quickly enough and then someone yells at him.

Assuming competence and intention is foolish.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strategy heads come up with the strategy - friction. Enough friction against Firefox will let the browser still exist (essential for the claim that there is competition) but without actually being able to compete. Middle management finds a tactic that implements the friction strategy - small "random" breaks and persistent performance issues. An engineer would find the precise measure to implement - break the UA strin…

> Enough friction against Firefox will let the browser still exist (essential for the claim that there is competition) but without actually being able to compete. Interesting theory, but that's exactly what M$ got dinged for in the antitrust suit re: Netscape.

Google doesn't care, they knowingly implemented the mother of all illegal antipattern cookie banners and only changed it after getting fined over $100M.

If the risk is a lawsuit after years of anticompetitive behaviour - if they're unlucky - that's absolutely worth it for Google. Chrome is now THE web browser platform with the only two remaining notable exceptions being competitors in name only, and no single lawsuit can just reverse that.

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I wonder how this made it past testing?

They don't test on Firefox mobile. Not explicitly anyway. Google's testing strategy is as it has always been: do some in-house burn-in testing, then launch to a small number of users and check for unexpected failures, then widen the launch window, then launch to 100%. In this case, the user base in question is so miniscule that no bugs probably showed up at the 1%, 10%, and 50% launch gates.

Or fewer than 20,000 bugs.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our bad reputation is not entirely undeserved, some of us are not as well behaved as others.

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Although I agree his words could've been chosen more carefully, they come from someone used to work with computers. Not his forte.

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Strategy heads come up with the strategy - friction. Enough friction against Firefox will let the browser still exist (essential for the claim that there is competition) but without actually being able to compete. Middle management finds a tactic that implements the friction strategy - small "random" breaks and persistent performance issues. An engineer would find the precise measure to implement - break the UA strin…

> Enough friction against Firefox will let the browser still exist (essential for the claim that there is competition) but without actually being able to compete. Interesting theory, but that's exactly what M$ got dinged for in the antitrust suit re: Netscape.

MS waged a lot more open war against Netscape, and documented their desire to "extinguish", "smother", and "cut off Netscape's air supply".

Google is doing more "eternal irritation by 1000 papercuts". Never one big blow, never aiming to kill Firefox, they're financing it after all. Firefox needs to exist but never be attractive to users, especially on the phone where tracking is next level.

I think plausible deniability does a lot of the heavy lifting here. But statistically speaking Firefox being the one browser hit constantly by a stream of random Google issues can't be random.

The legal and regulatory landscape changed a lot since then too, with Big Tech slowly but constantly lobbying and pushing a lot more than just these tactics into normalcy. A lot of what's normal today was outrageous in the '90s.

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