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Re: Why America hates its children

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Idaho has a small fraction of the population and diversity of those other places. Their challenges are significantly easier. Having been raised Republican and evangelical, I'd agree with the article. Those groups push kids under the bus and think they're doing the kids a favor. European countries have many problems; IME placing profit, religion, and extreme forms of individualism above child well-being aren't on the…

> Idaho has a small fraction of the population and diversity of those other places. That's a weird statement. By your logic, diversity makes people's lives worse, and folks in Idaho are justified in wanting no part in it. > Having been raised Republican and evangelical, I'd agree with the article. Those groups push kids under the bus and think they're doing the kids a favor. But, on objective metrics, those dumbfucks…

The problem is "diversity" is too mealy mouthed for the specific finger they're trying to point- kids from Guatemala (or insert any other country with a high number of recent emigres) who don't speak or read English don't test well on exams with English language instructions for tautological reasons.

That's only part of the problem in blue states though, and does not explain the full discrepancy.

Re: Why America hates its children

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So this article goes on for paragraphs blaming republicans and evangelicals and the red scare and slavery. But why do democrats (apparently) hate their children as well? After all, education is 90% funded by states and municipalities. That’s not unique to the US—education is a local issue everywhere from Sweden to Canada to Germany. Why are schools falling apart in Baltimore and Chicago? Why aren’t social services fo…

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I think using a term like "retarded" is pretty craven. You are talking about people who, through no fault of their own, have a much harder life than we will ever know. Rather than craft a better insult, you take the lazy and cruel path.

Who dumped water on your magnet, buddy? Figure it out.

Re: Why America hates its children

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idaho has a small fraction of the population and diversity of those other places. Their challenges are significantly easier. Having been raised Republican and evangelical, I'd agree with the article. Those groups push kids under the bus and think they're doing the kids a favor. European countries have many problems; IME placing profit, religion, and extreme forms of individualism above child well-being aren't on the…

> Idaho has a small fraction of the population and diversity of those other places. Their challenges are significantly easier. One of the states rayiner cited Idaho as outperforming is Delaware. Idaho does not have a "small fraction" of the population of Delaware, it has almost twice Delware's population It is also unclear why, above a certain minimum, population in itself should make any significant difference to a…

> As population scales, other relevant factors (such as student and teacher numbers and size of budgets) should scale proportionately – and if they don't, then we've identified a relevant explanatory factor other than population.

American cities and suburbs are so low density that they end up losing money because infrastructure is spread out over such a large area that taxes collected per square mile aren't enough to keep things working. People get pissed if the electric poles fall down, or when water stops flowing, so school budgets get cut instead.

Accordingly, older cities lose more money (more old stuff to maintain) and cities that grow larger (add more low density single family homes) lose more money faster.

40% of Idaho's population lives in a single mid-size city that apparently isn't burning through cash. If Boise 3x'd in population, it'd probably also start losing money like other larger American cities.

Re: Why America hates its children

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> How many articles have I read about whether children should be allowed on airplanes, or at weddings, or in restaurants?

American culture’s view of children as burdensome is a self fulfilling prophecy. Parents may sarcastically quip about their children’s imposition on their careers, finances, and sex lives, but they practice genuine resentment when they get some “me time” by encouraging a child’s screen time addiction, or by refusing to punish a child’s antisocial behavior. Their mal-adjusted children are unsuitable companions in a social venue, a genuine burden unwelcome to society for many years longer than they need be.

You can break this cycle by not thinking of your child like a burden, and by training them to not be a burden to others.

Shortly after I could talk, I was raised to address adults respectfully and to say please and thank you. My dad would also have us practice sitting still and quiet for a few minutes before bed. These basic manners elicited a decade of compliments from wait staff and flight attendants effusively telling my parents what nice children we were. Given what a small effort it takes to make eye contact and say “thank you”, even at the time I understood their praise as more a comment on society.

Now that I have children of my own, I’ve taught them from a young age how to attend a funeral or wedding (or grocery store) without ruining it for others. I can bring them without hesitation to a meeting with my banker or lawyer, excellent learning opportunities. They say please and thank you, and in response, adults across our community dote on and encourage and appreciate my children, and their good behaviour has earned them privileges and opportunity that I couldn’t personally have awarded them.

I refuse to call my wife a “ball and chain” or to refer to nun

Re: Why America hates its children

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> How many articles have I read about whether children should be allowed on airplanes, or at weddings, or in restaurants?

American culture’s view of children as burdensome is a self fulfilling prophecy. Parents may sarcastically quip about their children’s imposition on their careers, finances, and sex lives, but they practice genuine resentment when they get some “me time” by encouraging a child’s screen time addiction, or by refusing to punish a child’s antisocial behavior. Their mal-adjusted children are unsuitable companions in a social venue, a genuine burden unwelcome to society for many years longer than they need be, and it breeds anti child sentiment.

You can break this cycle by not thinking of your child like a burden, and by training them to not be a burden to others.

Shortly after I could talk, I was raised to address adults respectfully and to say please and thank you. My dad would also have us practice sitting still and quiet for a few minutes before bed. These basic manners elicited a decade of compliments from wait staff and flight attendants effusively telling my parents what nice children we were. Given what a small effort it takes to make eye contact and say “thank you”, even at the time I understood their praise as more a comment on society.

Now that I have children of my own, I’ve taught them from a young age how to attend a funeral or wedding (or grocery store) without ruining it for others. I can bring them without hesitation to a meeting with my banker or lawyer, excellent learning opportunities. They say please and thank you, and in response, adults across our community dote on and encourage and appreciate my children, and their good behaviour has earned them privileges and opportunity that I couldn’t personally have awarded them.

I’ve done my best to avoid the attitude trap of treating my children like a burden. They are each individually and altogether one of the greatest joys I’ve ever known. And teaching them a modicum of manners early on seems to have reopened whatever doors for them that American anti-child culture would have closed.

Re: Why America hates its children

#46
post #14

During Covid, when I read that the US required children to wear facemasks from the age of two , it sent a shiver down my spine.

Why does that upset you? Children should be protected against airborne transmittable sickness. Also, we are still in COVID it's not over.

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Re: Why America hates its children

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Also, recently in the Atlantic: Why Parents Struggle So Much in the World’s Richest Country Gift link: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2024/01/america-f...

Interesting article. Seems weird to me, as a Brit, why there isn't more pressure from American parents against guns. One might expect them to think "OK, I like having the right to own a gun, but I don't want kids entire lives to revolve (pardon the pun!) around the threat of gun violence, so there needs to be some kind of control". But apparently not... I know someone (British) who's engaged to an American and in the process of moving there and planning to have kid(s), who intends to homeschool her kid(s) because she doesn't think 5-yr-olds having to be given training in case a shooter enters their school is healthy. I mean, I agree with her, but having to homeschool them to avoid this... it's madness.

Re: Why America hates its children

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post #7

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There’s always Somalia. I heard it’s got great schools, if “child soldier” is what you aspire your children to be. But hey at least no one will be there to “steal” your hard earned currency that was minted by a central government or build you those pesky roads or whatever.

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Re: Why America hates its children

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So this article goes on for paragraphs blaming republicans and evangelicals and the red scare and slavery. But why do democrats (apparently) hate their children as well? After all, education is 90% funded by states and municipalities. That’s not unique to the US—education is a local issue everywhere from Sweden to Canada to Germany. Why are schools falling apart in Baltimore and Chicago? Why aren’t social services fo…

Kids in poorer states being able to read better actually makes sense considering the damage that Marie Clay's cueing system caused. Check out https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/ if you're interested. It was posted here a couple months back.

Re: Why America hates its children

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post #36

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It's well documented that 1) children are/were barely affected by COVID, and 2) mask caused more problems, especially for younger kids who are learning to speak, and need to be able to see facial expressions. COVID is around, and always will be. And "protecting" causes more harm and weakens the development of the immune system. All well known and common sense stuff, to those who don't live in fear of merely getting s…

We don't actually know that children were barely affected by covid. Covid is a pretty unknown disease in the long term. It could be like chicken pox which looked harmless in children until a few decades later with shingles. Maybe we'll find out that having young co-relates with later adult outcomes like how having multiple serious bouts of the flu qas corelated with mental decline. We don't even know if covid would b…

Pascal's wager. Masking and isolating children has a known cost, your speculative consequences don't
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