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Re: GPT Store Launch

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This should answer your question: https://openai.com/blog/introducing-gpts We’re rolling out custom versions of ChatGPT that you can create for a specific purpose—called GPTs. GPTs are a new way for anyone to create a tailored version of ChatGPT to be more helpful in their daily life, at specific tasks, at work, or at home—and then share that creation with others. Starting today, you can create GPTs and share them pu…

What's a version of a ChatGPT? A custom model? With custom pretraining, or just custom fine-tuning? Or just a custom prompt, lol.

I believe it is just GPT-4 with a custom system prompt added. You can also upload your own added knowledge base of data for the GPT to reference.

Re: GPT Store Launch

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This should answer your question: https://openai.com/blog/introducing-gpts We’re rolling out custom versions of ChatGPT that you can create for a specific purpose—called GPTs. GPTs are a new way for anyone to create a tailored version of ChatGPT to be more helpful in their daily life, at specific tasks, at work, or at home—and then share that creation with others. Starting today, you can create GPTs and share them pu…

> you’ll also be able to earn money based on how many people are using your GPT So how does that work? Are they showing ads? (Narrator: its always ads) Is this the new ad-sense and search engine replacement? Its not SEO anymore, its custom GPTs.

It's probably a revenue share of the API usage fees that result from usage of the custom model.

Re: GPT Store Launch

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I'm sure there will be improvements, but making a custom GPT a few weeks ago I was very unimpressed:

1. The GPT builder itself didn't feel like it was a well-tuned prompt (i.e., the prompt they use to guide prompt creation). It created long-winded prompts that left out information and didn't pay attention to what I said. Anything I enter into the GPT builder interface is probably very important!

2. The quotas are fairly low, and apply to testing. I was only able to do maybe 10 minutes of playtesting before I ran out of quota.

3. There's no tools to help with testing, it's all just vibes. No prompt comparisons.

4. The implied RAG is entirely opaque. You can upload documents, and I guess they get used...? But how? The best I could figure out was to put text into the prompt telling GPT to be very open about how it used documents, then basically ask it questions to see if it understood the content and purpose of the documents I uploaded.

5. There's no extended interface outside of the intro questions. No way to emit buttons or choices, just the ever-present text field.

6. There's no hidden state. I don't particularly want impossible-to-see state, but a powerful technique is to get GPT to make plans or internal notes as it responds. These are very confusing when presented in the chat itself. In applications I often use tags like ... to mark these, which is compatible with the simple data model of a chat.

7. There's no context management. Like hidden state, I'd like to be able to mark things as "sticky"; things that should be prioritized when the context outgrows the context window.

These are all fixable, though I worry that OpenAI's confidence in AI maximalism will keep them from making hard features and instead they just rely on GPT "getting smarter" and magically not needing real features.

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This close to launch and no information on how they'll audit GPTs. I just want to know their review process and how they'll enforce their usage policies, specifically regarding privacy (and GDPR compliancy). How will they prevent a developer from sending and storing private information from their GPT to their server through APIs? How will they prevent doxing? Such as a GPT posting hyperlinks that direct to a server o…

Unless they're changing this, custom GPTs as far as I know are not accessible through OpenAI's API. AFAIK they're just ChatGPT running GPT-4 with a custom instruction and optional knowledge base. No private information leaves the ChatGPT interface/OpenAI. For example, here's how I'm using a private one right now: https://liza.io/creating-a-writing-assistant-with-chatgpt-pl...

Re: GPT Store Launch

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I'm sure there will be improvements, but making a custom GPT a few weeks ago I was very unimpressed: 1. The GPT builder itself didn't feel like it was a well-tuned prompt (i.e., the prompt they use to guide prompt creation). It created long-winded prompts that left out information and didn't pay attention to what I said. Anything I enter into the GPT builder interface is probably very important! 2. The quotas are fai…

Re: 1. I've made many GPTs and never took the time to read that first page / use the GPT builder. I always immediately jumped into "Configure". Had no idea this was a thing.

Re: 2. 100%. It's rough.

Re: 4. Had a ton of issues where it would just error and say it couldn't find the document, completely ruined the point / purpose of one I made.

Re: Hidden state - could be fun, but I do like the transparency of everything needing to be out in the open. But maybe a "hidden by default" scratchpad.

Re: GPT Store Launch

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What I'm wondering is how do we get paid and what kind of cut are they taking? I'm a little worried it's going to be like, "and creators can earn up to 20% usage credits depending on the number of installs their GPTs get!"

In its current state, idk how payment can possibly work on non-api driven GPTs, honestly - other than a tip jar. You can easily get it to print out the prompt and return the full text of documents. Even easier to do a close approximation of the above.

Re: GPT Store Launch

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My bet was they would delay it. Well excited to see what people will build but also a little worried. Users have developed a lot of trust towards ChatGPT some are using it as a therapist, uploading a lot of secret info etc. Now with custom gpts anyone can piggyback on that trust and just upload all that data to their servers.

> Now with custom gpts anyone can piggyback on that trust and just upload all that data to their servers. Can they? I thought custom GPTs were hosted entirely by OpenAI with no middle-man in-between? How would the creator of a custom GPT receive any user prompt data? AFAIK they're not even accessible through the API to build on top of (unlike the Assistants)

They're able to utilize APIs

Re: GPT Store Launch

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> Now with custom gpts anyone can piggyback on that trust and just upload all that data to their servers. Can they? I thought custom GPTs were hosted entirely by OpenAI with no middle-man in-between? How would the creator of a custom GPT receive any user prompt data? AFAIK they're not even accessible through the API to build on top of (unlike the Assistants)

They're able to utilize APIs

Would you mind pointing me to some info on this? I actually tried to invoke my custom GPT through the OpenAI API and found no way to do it. The closest option at the time was creating an Assistant, which is a whole separate construct. If there's a way to do it now I'd love to play around with it.

Re: GPT Store Launch

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The GPT Store is poised to be the biggest platform since the iOS App Store. Reason: The GPT-4 API is too expensive for most use cases. This encourages app developers to build custom GPTs, letting their users pay $20/month for a ChatGPT Plus subscription. To provide the same service in a standalone webapp using the GPT-4 API you'd have to charge ~$50/mo for your app only, and that's if you settle for ~50-75% margins (…

A platform play like this assumes a captive market that is using the platform and who faces significant pain to leave. iPhone, Android and Windows had this. OpenAI does not because other APIs and open source models are hot on their heels. For many dev needs, an open source model can be used far cheaper, without vendor lockin, with more flexibility, free of censorship, and with lower latency. To make this play and sus…

I'm rooting for open source models too. But I'm also a dev working to use AI models for consumer apps. And currently, open source is quite a ways behind.

Consider some points:

1. GPT-4 was trained in Summer 2022. OpenAI already has better models.

2. It's not just the model, but the infra around it: ChatGPT has tool use — image generation, web search, and API calls through "actions" — built in.

3. More infra: ChatGPT has a builtin moderation endpoint. This is not sexy, and although many of us hackers want uncensored AI, most applications will need some moderation.

4. ChatGPT has >100M users, and there is some lock-in already. ChatGPT users don't want their chats split over multiple apps.

5. Open source (and proprietary models like Grok) are fine-tuning of synthetic data generated by GPT-4. This fine-tuning process limits them to be sub-GPT-4 level.

6. Even the best open source models (eg Mixtral) are significantly worse than GPT-4. Their low cost makes them attractive, but if you believe, as I do, that sub-GPT-4 level models are just not that compelling, the open source AI ecosystem has a lot of catching up to do.

As long as there exist proprietary models that are an order of magnitude more capable than open source models, I expect the bulk of the value and usage will accrue to the ecosystems of the proprietary models. I do hope that at some point soon this changes. Maybe open source models achieve a flywheel of data, crowdsourced algorithmic optimization, and perhaps some form of efficient distributed training on consumer hardware is possible. This would be awesome, IMO.

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