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Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by hirako2000 »

Are we still trying to find some direct physical correlation betwee the symptoms of "long covid" and the virus infection itself?

Such symptoms occuring are unsurprising given the psychological effect of the pandemic at its height, its societal and economical effects.

Adding to this getting infected and all the fanfare, along with fear mongering we've been subject to via the media and mandates, long covid could alone so easily be caused by the side effects on mental health.

I won't dare claiming most disease have psychological root causes, not a medical professional.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by [deleted] »

timr wrote: post #40
faitswulff wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some covid infections, just like the cold or the flu, cause symptoms longer than the 5-7 days That's arguably also terrifying if even common viruses are known to cause long term conditions. Also consider the evidence pointing to a link between viral infection and dementia: https://www.sciencealert.com/a-study-of-500000-medical-recor...

When the symptoms are "a lingering cough" (which is what we're talking about most of the time ), it's not terrifying. It's just something you ignored before and are not ignoring now. As OP notes, there are certainly some small fraction people with worse outcomes. But the generic "long covid" term has mixed up all sorts of things -- from hospital syndrome (absolutely real! but very rare!) to symptoms that anyone would…

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Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

blindriver wrote: post #18
kick_in_the_dor wrote: post #5

> we saw that the mitochondria of the muscle, also known as the energy factories of the cell *Ahem*, powerhouse of the cell Jokes aside, this is a terrifying stat: "Although the majority of people infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus recover within weeks...around one in eight will get long-COVID. Symptoms in patients with long-COVID...include severe cognitive problems (brain fog), fatigue, exercise intolerance, autonom…

There is nothing to be “terrified” about. You are conflating different types of “long covid”. Some covid infections, just like the cold or the flu, cause symptoms longer than the 5-7 days, maybe for 2-3 weeks. That’s long covid. Also remember that long covid symptoms include symptoms like depression and it ends up not being very rigorously defined. Then there is the version that creates long term chronic fatigue symp…

> I know someone who got the vaccine and she ended up being crippled by arthritis from the vaccine

wat.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by dmux »

mort96 wrote: post #29
blindriver wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing to be “terrified” about. You are conflating different types of “long covid”. Some covid infections, just like the cold or the flu, cause symptoms longer than the 5-7 days, maybe for 2-3 weeks. That’s long covid. Also remember that long covid symptoms include symptoms like depression and it ends up not being very rigorously defined. Then there is the version that creates long term chronic fatigue symp…

You're right, and I wish we had terms to differentiate them. It's ridiculous that "chronic fatigue and brain fog for the rest of your life" and "flu-like symptoms for 3 weeks and then back to normal" are both discussed under the term "long covid".

We could use C data types as inspiration: long covid, and longlong covid.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by Log_out_ »

spion wrote: post #26
fsiefken wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but isn't it more like if there is perhaps a factor X you don't belong to the 1/8 risk group that the chances that with subsequent infections you get long covid-19 is smaller (or near zero)? It's likely that this factor exists as lots of people got infected multiple times and not everybody has long covid-19. Is it a matter of rolling those odds every time for everyone or is that only for 1 in 8 people or would t…

AFAIK, gene links have only been found for persistent cough and shortness of breath, but not other long covid symptoms. Protection from vaccines has ranged (IIRC) from none to about 50% reduction in probability

Could it be a side effect of some treatment, similar to contagan? You take something to reduce side-effects, covi let's it into cells where it poisons the mitochondria?

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by devjab »

Cool. I wonder if they’ll ever discover the reason behind the loss of smell. I lost mine completely for about a year, and I still can’t smell most things. Luckily one of the smells I got back was shit, I say lucky because it’s handy when you have diaper wearing children. In general what I’ve gotten back has been “nasty” smells, I can also smell things like vomit or rotten food. But “good” smells are still completely gone. I can’t smell flowers, I can’t smell candy and so on.

It never really affected me, as I apparently cared a lot less about smells than many other people, but it is a little frightening to lose something because of a disease. I’m happy it was the only side effect I got, I’d obviously rather have had none, but I’d frankly be comforted by scientists knowing more about it.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by radicalbyte »

timr wrote: post #40
faitswulff wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some covid infections, just like the cold or the flu, cause symptoms longer than the 5-7 days That's arguably also terrifying if even common viruses are known to cause long term conditions. Also consider the evidence pointing to a link between viral infection and dementia: https://www.sciencealert.com/a-study-of-500000-medical-recor...

When the symptoms are "a lingering cough" (which is what we're talking about most of the time ), it's not terrifying. It's just something you ignored before and are not ignoring now. As OP notes, there are certainly some small fraction people with worse outcomes. But the generic "long covid" term has mixed up all sorts of things -- from hospital syndrome (absolutely real! but very rare!) to symptoms that anyone would…

You literally have that same symptom with the flu.. or a cold.

ME / CFS is a horrible disease. My younger brother was out with it for a year but I know several women for whom it has effectively been a life changing condition.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by radicalbyte »

An interesting fact: this research was paid for by crowd funding because the Ministry of Health refused to fund it. The Netherlands is also unique in Europe as the only country which does not even try to treat this condition.

If you get ME/CFS you are, quite literally, left to die here. Unless someone in your network looks after you.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by hirako2000 »

alpaca128 wrote: post #28
progrus wrote: post #19

Am I supposed to believe that these physiological effects have nothing to do with fear of the virus? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447278/

If it's psychosomatic then why does it only happen with this specific virus and not, say, with chronic illnesses?

Maybe because covid 19 has been accompanied with an avalanche of commenting along with draconian measures that we haven't seen for at least an entire generation.

Re: Researchers discover physical cause of long Covid tiredness

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Post by michael_j_x »

devjab wrote: post #46

Cool. I wonder if they’ll ever discover the reason behind the loss of smell. I lost mine completely for about a year, and I still can’t smell most things. Luckily one of the smells I got back was shit, I say lucky because it’s handy when you have diaper wearing children. In general what I’ve gotten back has been “nasty” smells, I can also smell things like vomit or rotten food. But “good” smells are still completely…

Have you tried smell training (basically you sniff 3-4 different types of essential oils daily). My girlfriend lost her smell due to covid for a year or so, and got it back about a month after starting smell training
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