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Turtles, a Shelly/Zigbee home automation tool in Elixir

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Re: Turtles, a Shelly/Zigbee home automation tool in Elixir

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Post by boringuser2 »

vetinari wrote: post #33
boringuser2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it limited? I have been thinking of migrating my setup from a docks container to HAOS on metal. I have like 1 dozen Intel j5105 boxes, might as well use them.

Limited; as in you might have to find a way to configure some things in a different way than you are used to. HAOS in a principle is a lightweight immutable distro for running containers; the HA itself is the same container that you would be running if you went the Docker path. In my case, I have my IoT toys in a separate VLAN; HAOS needed to have access to both, main LAN (for the frontend) and IoT LAN (to talk to th…

Thanks for the reply.

I like the concept of paring down and organizing my myraid docker containers into native HAOS "add-ons".

That plus having a better update cycle and less hardware pass through headaches is appealing to me.

I've also been encountering a bug in my docker build pipeline that freezes my ability to remove a container until I restart it. Pretty frustrating.

Re: Turtles, a Shelly/Zigbee home automation tool in Elixir

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Post by kriiuuu »

wredue wrote: post #40
aidenn0 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also use NixOS. They requested HA be not included in nixpkgs.

There are parts of NixOS that require specific support or you apps simply don’t work, and I can see why a developer would not want NixOS issues causing tickets for them.

They aren’t really open-source then are they?

Re: Turtles, a Shelly/Zigbee home automation tool in Elixir

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Post by grepfru_it »

smt88 wrote: post #4

> * Rationally, I might have been better off going with Home Assistant, which has ready-made integrations with Shelly, Zigbee dimmers, and probably thousands of other device types, but I wanted complete control and hackability, and I preferred to spend time building my own system rather than learning and customizing Home Assistant and maybe never getting it to work like I want it to.* This thought was correct. Home A…

Once you use OpenHAB you will never go back to HA

Re: Turtles, a Shelly/Zigbee home automation tool in Elixir

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aidenn0 wrote: post #35

I looked into some basic automation for Christmas lights this year; some thoughts: 1. Zigbee devices are crazy inexpensive. I can get two zigbee power switches for less than half the cost of a single USB controlled one. 2. Zigbee2Mqtt is really nice; setting it and mosquitto up was easy, and I can control everything over mqtt now. 3. The creator of HA really doesn't want me using his software, so I'm not.

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Re: Turtles, a Shelly/Zigbee home automation tool in Elixir

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Post by smt88 »

grepfru_it wrote: post #43
smt88 wrote: post #4

> * Rationally, I might have been better off going with Home Assistant, which has ready-made integrations with Shelly, Zigbee dimmers, and probably thousands of other device types, but I wanted complete control and hackability, and I preferred to spend time building my own system rather than learning and customizing Home Assistant and maybe never getting it to work like I want it to.* This thought was correct. Home A…

Once you use OpenHAB you will never go back to HA

Why? I already have zero issues with HA and it does everything I want it to do.

Re: Turtles, a Shelly/Zigbee home automation tool in Elixir

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Post by aidenn0 »

kriiuuu wrote: post #42
wredue wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are parts of NixOS that require specific support or you apps simply don’t work, and I can see why a developer would not want NixOS issues causing tickets for them.

They aren’t really open-source then are they?

1. It's allowed to have wants and desires separate from the obligations imposed by the licensing terms

2. Not wanting people to open tickets/issues is completely orthogonal to being libre software.

Re: Turtles, a Shelly/Zigbee home automation tool in Elixir

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Post by aidenn0 »

wredue wrote: post #40
aidenn0 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also use NixOS. They requested HA be not included in nixpkgs.

There are parts of NixOS that require specific support or you apps simply don’t work, and I can see why a developer would not want NixOS issues causing tickets for them.

IIRC they didn't want distributed via any package manager (apt, yum &c.); nixpkgs was not singled-out[1]. This was a while ago, so I may have misremembered.

1: Though NixOS users have both social and technical reasons for more strongly wanting software to be in nixpkgs than e.g. Ubuntu users have for wanting the software to be distributed via apt.

Re: Turtles, a Shelly/Zigbee home automation tool in Elixir

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Post by grepfru_it »

smt88 wrote: post #45
grepfru_it wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once you use OpenHAB you will never go back to HA

Why? I already have zero issues with HA and it does everything I want it to do.

Windows has zero issues and so does MacOS yet there’s a market for both and lifelong users who switch from Win to Mac report a better experience.

OpenHAB allows for way more customization and integration.

Re: Turtles, a Shelly/Zigbee home automation tool in Elixir

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Post by smt88 »

grepfru_it wrote: post #48
smt88 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I already have zero issues with HA and it does everything I want it to do.

Windows has zero issues and so does MacOS yet there’s a market for both and lifelong users who switch from Win to Mac report a better experience. OpenHAB allows for way more customization and integration.

I don't understand your comment about Win/Mac, but I run HA as a VM, so the OS doesn't matter at all. The same is true with Docker containers.

As for "way more" customization or integration, can you give an example or two? HA is scriptable.

Re: Turtles, a Shelly/Zigbee home automation tool in Elixir

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Post by aragilar »

aidenn0 wrote: post #47
wredue wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are parts of NixOS that require specific support or you apps simply don’t work, and I can see why a developer would not want NixOS issues causing tickets for them.

IIRC they didn't want distributed via any package manager (apt, yum &c.); nixpkgs was not singled-out[1]. This was a while ago, so I may have misremembered. 1: Though NixOS users have both social and technical reasons for more strongly wanting software to be in nixpkgs than e.g. Ubuntu users have for wanting the software to be distributed via apt.

I'm not sure NixOS users are that different from users of other distros, all want a tool that properly manages their systems (rather than random packages being scattered everywhere).
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