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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by nine_k »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #13
j16sdiz wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article,"Transitioning Mozilla away from Firefox." is the current organisation goal. She have done her job great. why was it a goal, I have bo idea

The goal is obvious and not new. Firefox as a product is only useful to them as a handout from google to use as an antitrust defense. The problem is that Mozilla hasn’t been able to find any product that generates any meaningful revenue. It makes perfect sense for them to try to be an entity that can exist without their biggest competitor tossing them scraps. How they should achieve that is certainly up for debate bu…

I think the situation is simple. They are rendering one service that their users value, and it is making Firefox.

They should ask (not require) payment for that service. Yes, what they should do is basically to run a Patreon subscription, clearly marked "For the continued development of Firefox".

At a very accessible level of $3 / mo on average, and merely 5M subscribers over the world, they'd have $15M monthly, or $180M a year.

See how Wikimedia Foundation is basically flush with cash, without getting handouts from its competition (haha), zero ads, and asking users to spare $2.75 here and there.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by aquova »

j16sdiz wrote: post #3
sydbarrett74 wrote: post #2

Mitchell Baker needs to go. I hold her responsible for much of Firefox's slide in use over the years. She keeps pulling in a larger and larger salary for doing less and less.

According to the article,"Transitioning Mozilla away from Firefox." is the current organisation goal. She have done her job great. why was it a goal, I have bo idea

I don't strictly disagree with that as a concept, as diversifying themselves from being Firefox and Firefox alone is a sound business strategy. Unfortunately, while they have come up with some neat ideas (I was a fan of Firefox Send) they still haven't found a business strategy and have let Firefox's market share slide in the meanwhile, and many of those neat concepts have withered away as well.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by freedomben »

username1228023 wrote: post #25
sydbarrett74 wrote: post #2

Mitchell Baker needs to go. I hold her responsible for much of Firefox's slide in use over the years. She keeps pulling in a larger and larger salary for doing less and less.

I've been critical of Mozilla for a long time, and Mitchell has not been a good leader for the last ~10 years or so. Having said that, Mitchell was instrumental to several very important things, not all of them in the distant past. She also went years taking annual salary lower than she probably should have been taking. It frankly wouldn't be unreasonable to grant her lifetime emeritus status that comes with a no-str…

May I ask what you did at Mozilla? i.e. were you an engineer on Firefox?

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by xbar »

j16sdiz wrote: post #3
sydbarrett74 wrote: post #2

Mitchell Baker needs to go. I hold her responsible for much of Firefox's slide in use over the years. She keeps pulling in a larger and larger salary for doing less and less.

According to the article,"Transitioning Mozilla away from Firefox." is the current organisation goal. She have done her job great. why was it a goal, I have bo idea

It is her goal. She will spend a lot of time explaining to you why it is a good idea. At the end, you will still have bo idea.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by macspoofing »

phpisthebest wrote: post #33
anonymousab wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They likely view the idea off competing with Chrome - a key chess piece of the company keeping Mozilla around merely as a pet to ward of regulators - as impossible if not counterproductive to their mid-term survival at this point. Which is to say, at some point they might become annoying enough for Google to not want to pay them anymore, and then Mozilla would cease to exist shortly thereafter. So with that in mind,…

No absolutely not... That would be the worst thing for the web. Blink is objectively bad in the first place, and we need more than just chromiumum skins in the market. I wish they would finish and move to Servo. I wish Brave or some of the other Chromium Skins would become Firefox based. Everyone consolidating down to Blink and Chromium is about the worst thing that could happen to anyone that desires an open Web

>I wish Brave or some of the other Chromium Skins would become Firefox based.

This hurts because Firefox should have been that embedded framework powering browsers like Brave and electron apps. But that would have required them to invest in R&D to match performance but also to make their rendering engine easily embeddable (with a corresponding investment in documentation and outreach).

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by woodruffw »

freedomben wrote: post #30
phpisthebest wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Importantly, that was also the reason that Brendan Eich used Chromium as a base for Brave, rather than Firefox. Had that even not occurred, we might be in a position where more than one organization had a business interest is Firefox, which would be a complete game changer.

Do you have a source for this?

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by _m2rf »

tl;dr: we need an open source browser & infra, and there are candidates.

How c[u]ome, with all the power of open source we still do not have an open browser with an open sync infra?.

emotions aside, this is dumb (some words cannot be used). Why can't we, as a group, stop complaining, and actually devote real time hours into developing the serenity browser to work as chrome / brave / firefox?

Why can't we, use the knowledge we have gained from IPFS and actually work on a distributed no server sync platform?

Why can't I, simply stop using the mentioned above software and devote myself into something more hopefully reliable?

I think it is hard to lose your daddy and leave home, but it's something we all have to do in order to actually grow.

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