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Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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DEA has a set cap for amphetamine production and demand is higher than the cap.

Nah fam, this is fallout from Purdue pharma litigation, distributors are figuring out how to shield their future liability. Have a read here from people who work in the industry https://www.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/16dur21/stimulant...

Fascinating thread to observe. Thanks!

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

#42
post #17

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I'm a biochemist and I completely disagree with your take. There are very few situations where prescribing methamphetamine is reasonable. It's a niche drug. Even XR formulations of Adderall are considered a blunt instrument compared to more recent alternatives. The issue is one of trust, integrity, and safety. Pharmacies should not operate like drug dealers.

Did you mean IR formulations, or are you saying that extended release formulations of Adderall are considered a blunt instrument? Compared to what other than Vyvanse?

IR (instant release) is the opposite of XR (extended release). I said and meant XR. I don’t even think IR should be used anymore, except maybe in super niche situations (I’m not even sure if I can think of any situation where it makes much sense… maybe narcolepsy?).

XR is obviously preferable to IR, but amphetamines have been falling out of favour over the years (it’s a slow trend). Vyvanse, NSRIs and even SSRIs tend to be regarded more and more favourably compared to amphetamines (Adderall) and methylphenidate (Ritalin).

(Disclaimer: I myself take Adderall XR 10mg as prescribed, so I have the opposite of a conflict of interest in this context.)

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

#43

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A. They aren't comparing it to rubbing alcohol. The analogy is that they are both alcohol so they are the same right? Obviously not. B. I've tried meth. It's nothing like Adderall and much, much more potent.

> The analogy is that they are both alcohol so they are the same right? Obviously not. They are the same. The difference is just that the bottle sold as "rubbing alcohol" has been intentionally poisoned.

Rubbing alcohol, in the US at any rate, is isopropanol and vodka is ethanol. You're probably thinking of denatured alcohol which is ethanol with methanol added.

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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A. They aren't comparing it to rubbing alcohol. The analogy is that they are both alcohol so they are the same right? Obviously not. B. I've tried meth. It's nothing like Adderall and much, much more potent.

> The analogy is that they are both alcohol so they are the same right? Obviously not. They are the same. The difference is just that the bottle sold as "rubbing alcohol" has been intentionally poisoned.

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Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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A. They aren't comparing it to rubbing alcohol. The analogy is that they are both alcohol so they are the same right? Obviously not. B. I've tried meth. It's nothing like Adderall and much, much more potent.

> The analogy is that they are both alcohol so they are the same right? Obviously not. They are the same. The difference is just that the bottle sold as "rubbing alcohol" has been intentionally poisoned.

Rubbing alcohol is isopropanol, not ethanol.

In the same way that amphetamine is not methamphetamine. Different molecules, different chemistry!

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A. They aren't comparing it to rubbing alcohol. The analogy is that they are both alcohol so they are the same right? Obviously not. B. I've tried meth. It's nothing like Adderall and much, much more potent.

> The analogy is that they are both alcohol so they are the same right? Obviously not. They are the same. The difference is just that the bottle sold as "rubbing alcohol" has been intentionally poisoned.

Rubbing alcohol is isopropanol. Drinking alcohol is ethanol.

You can get “industrial ethanol” that has some methanol added to prevent people from consuming it, and pay liquor tax on it. These are for chemists for specific applications.

None of these things are “the same”.

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

#47
post #15

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I don't see how it's relevant. The counterfeit adderall being sold isn't pharmaceutical grade meth. People buying black market sealed bottles of adderall would probably want to know that it's likely not adderall.

I think it's relevant because to me the article isn't actually about Adderall vs meth, just using that as the framing for a story about why they think it's bad for anything pharma-related to happen out from under the watchful eye of a US-like medical-industrial-congressional complex. The author is preying upon readers' cultural understanding of meth (via the news media and shows like Breaking Bad) as something inhere…

> The existence of FDA-approved meth...

... changes nothing. If you don't expect to be getting meth, you shouldn't be getting meth.

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

#48
post #35

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Sure, in the same way that rubbing alcohol is basically vodka. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, but it's frustrating to hear this line over and over as someone who needs these prescriptions to function.

But you are not ingesting rubbing alcohol.

Equality is symmetric ;P

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

#49
post #7

I just came back from Puerto Vallarta, and it's shocking how pharmacies advertise their drugs to tourists. I'm talking massive signs with every prescription med under the sun-- Adderall, Xanax, Retinol, you name it. All next to the HGH and testosterone posters featuring unreasonably muscular bodybuilders.

The shock you felt is a bit like the shock many foreigners feel when visiting the US, and seeing a consistent flow of television commercials with “Ask your doctor about X.” (Direct marketing of prescription drugs is banned in most of the developed world.)

I also just don't understand how it's profitable to run those ads in the US, given how niche some of the conditions are...like I'm pretty sure that if you have cancer, you're going to be asking your doctor about a lot of things anyway. What's the point of advertising cancer / lupus / drugs that extremely specific conditions that <0.1% of the US population have?

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

#50
post #21

Isn't adderall basically prescription meth, anyway?

No. Adderall is normally prescribed in the XR formulation (meaning it's an extended/slow release capsule), and has amphetamine as the active ingredient. Methamphetamine is a different molecule altogether, and typically it's not packaged in slow-release capsules. Yes, methamphetamine is structurally related to amphetamine, but you shouldn't make the mistake to think they are interchangeable. Very often the difference…

I've got some H3O+ for people who want to try something "similar" to water in the same way that Adderall is meth.
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