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Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by jorvi »

danpalmer wrote: post #19

While the numbers might be a bit hit and miss, the comparison with individual creators is fascinating and definitely hits upon something that keeps me from subscribing to patreons/etc. I don't have just one creator who I would consistently want to support the most, there are probably 10-20 who I would like to support, however I'm not going to pay 10x of them $5/h for content when YouTube is 1x $0.50/h (and has their…

Brave figured this out long ago with their BAT system IMO. Basically automated micropayments for content consumption (I mean, Basic Attention Token, what's in a name). You can either buy BAT directly or watch private-by-default ads, which takes away one of the biggest ethical qualms one can have with adblocking too.

I know that HN has a prety small but ultra-vocal minority that will hate on Brave any chance they get, so expect a lot of disparaging comments.

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by danpalmer »

josh-sematic wrote: post #23
danpalmer wrote: post #19

While the numbers might be a bit hit and miss, the comparison with individual creators is fascinating and definitely hits upon something that keeps me from subscribing to patreons/etc. I don't have just one creator who I would consistently want to support the most, there are probably 10-20 who I would like to support, however I'm not going to pay 10x of them $5/h for content when YouTube is 1x $0.50/h (and has their…

You can support one for a few months, switch to another, etc.. Or just roll a dice and pick one of your favorites to support and leave it to others to support the others you like. Something is better than nothing if you want to keep independent creators around.

Yeah all of this is just a lot of work and decisions, and rolling a dice just feels weird and unfair. I do pay for YT premium which distributes money across my views which is therefore somewhat fair, and I'm considering a Nebula subscription (if Curiosity Stream's sign up flow doesn't persuade me not to again).

I wish that Patreon had a support format where I could pay, say, $20 a month to Patreon and have that spread between whoever I'm supporting in a way that's cost efficient on payment fees and stuff like that.

It doesn't help though that individual creators price very highly relative to the amount of their content I consume. Fundamentally, a podcast is just not worth $10 a month to me because if I lost access I'd just listen to a different one.

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by edent »

danpalmer wrote: post #37
rglullis wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if there would be interest in a non-crypto version of the Brave program. In theory, that's exactly what they do: you set a total monthly donation and which creators you want to support, and the browser keeps track of how much each should get at the end of the month. Unfortunately, what ended up happening is that the program is too complicated for people with disposable income who would be interested and it g…

There was a startup many years ago that I can't remember the name of this who did a similar micropayment tipping sort of thing. The problem was that they essentially collected money on behalf of creators who had no idea the platform existed and they would have to then go and sign up to retrieve funds. I don't want to support creators through something they don't consent to using like that.

There was https://flattr.com/ and, more recently, https://twitter.com/coil

But, yes, a complete chicken-and-egg problem.

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by Jleagle »

buremba wrote: post #29

I would love to pay for a service that connects all my subscriptions and finds out how much I pay for them hourly basis but it would be hard to make it work with the existing APIs I assume.

You would just need 1 api connection to your bank, which there are many options for these days.

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by highwaylights »

Quality of time spent is probably something fair to consider too.

People pay $20 to go to the movie theatre for a couple of hours when they don't need to do that to watch a film.

Some video games might take 200 hours, but they're probably slogging grindfests that have long since become a chore by the 50 hour mark.

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by jefftk »

dagw wrote: post #13
deafpolygon wrote: post #7

Pretty inaccurate. "In 2020, each Netflix subscriber in the U.S. was watching an average of 3.2 hours of Netflix content per day." -- https://www.zippia.com/answers/how-many-hours-of-netflix-are... Let's say there's 4 weeks to a month - that's 12.8 hours a month. So using $23/m is going to be 1.8/h -- I'd be curious to see the median hours per month per user -- I am willing to bet the average is skewed by the top 20%…

In 2020, each Netflix subscriber in the U.S. was watching an average of 3.2 hours of Netflix content per day A lot has changed in the streaming landscape since 2020. I would not at all be surprised if while the daily avg. hasn't changed, it is now spread out over more streaming services. I know I watch a lot more Not Netflix now than I did a few years ago.

2020 was also peak lockdown, which probably means more time watching anything relative to 2023

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by eliblock »

danpalmer wrote: post #19

While the numbers might be a bit hit and miss, the comparison with individual creators is fascinating and definitely hits upon something that keeps me from subscribing to patreons/etc. I don't have just one creator who I would consistently want to support the most, there are probably 10-20 who I would like to support, however I'm not going to pay 10x of them $5/h for content when YouTube is 1x $0.50/h (and has their…

I had an idea for a pay-per-minute youtube, where your time watched gets credited to the creator. I would rather just pay per use than worry about whether I'm using my subscriptions enough to be worth it.

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by rglullis »

danpalmer wrote: post #37
rglullis wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if there would be interest in a non-crypto version of the Brave program. In theory, that's exactly what they do: you set a total monthly donation and which creators you want to support, and the browser keeps track of how much each should get at the end of the month. Unfortunately, what ended up happening is that the program is too complicated for people with disposable income who would be interested and it g…

There was a startup many years ago that I can't remember the name of this who did a similar micropayment tipping sort of thing. The problem was that they essentially collected money on behalf of creators who had no idea the platform existed and they would have to then go and sign up to retrieve funds. I don't want to support creators through something they don't consent to using like that.

To be honest, I don't mind if the middleman is actually holding the funds and gives them out when the taker signs up. Creating a totally new market where you need to develop both sides of the transaction is not an easy task.

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Post by 4pkjai »

johncalvinyoung wrote: post #16

Explains why Spotify and Kindle Unlimited is an automatic yes from me, and new fiction hard copies much less so, based on my usage. - Spotify: 65k minutes a year, 90h/mo, so around 0.13/h I’m a fast reader, so a novel averages 2-5 hours for me, probably 4h would be a fair guess. Last few years have averaged 150 titles a year on KU, so… 50hr/mo and 0.25/h in costs. And that print novel is usually 15-25 these days new……

I read a lot but Kindle unlimited never enticed me. I had a quick look at what was available and thought "I don't want to read any of these books".

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by danpalmer »

jorvi wrote: post #41
danpalmer wrote: post #19

While the numbers might be a bit hit and miss, the comparison with individual creators is fascinating and definitely hits upon something that keeps me from subscribing to patreons/etc. I don't have just one creator who I would consistently want to support the most, there are probably 10-20 who I would like to support, however I'm not going to pay 10x of them $5/h for content when YouTube is 1x $0.50/h (and has their…

Brave figured this out long ago with their BAT system IMO. Basically automated micropayments for content consumption (I mean, Basic Attention Token, what's in a name). You can either buy BAT directly or watch private-by-default ads, which takes away one of the biggest ethical qualms one can have with adblocking too. I know that HN has a prety small but ultra-vocal minority that will hate on Brave any chance they get,…

I do have a problem with the Brave/BAT system here, because it lacks consent from the creators. Brave show the user ads and grants them BAT, the user "gives" the BAT to the creator, and almost all creators won't know about this so it's in a black hole (controlled by Brave?). If I were a creator I'm not sure I'd like that, specifically not being able to opt-out at all(?) or at least not without signing up and giving my details.
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