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Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by RobotToaster »

mrks_hy wrote: post #36
bityard wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Appreciate the links. Although one is in German and the other is also in German and seems to be behind a paywall. As an aside, it is common for news sites to only provide links back to their own earlier articles (even when the connection to the present story is tenuous at best), never to sources or extra information outside of their web property. Unfortunately it is not a weird choice, it's an industry-wide standard…

See my sibling comment - you can also click the left button ("Akzeptieren und weiter"), which just is your consent to see advertisement, it's a soft paywall (paying makes ads go away).

You have to consent to invasive tracking cookies or pay (isn't that against the GDPR?)

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by hcfman »

Correct me if I'm wrong. But is it not the case that governments have been pressured to not be allowed to use Huawei technology in 6G and the like? Not being an expert but I think I remember things like that.

If you then own patents relating to that or similar technology and someone says "No you may not participate" simply because we so say, nothing to do with law, we just don't want you to. That maybe this sort of response can be expected ? If you kick someone long enough it's not surprising to see retaliation once in a while.

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by derf_ »

rocqua wrote: post #14
contravariant wrote: post #4

Today I learned SEPs, standard essential patents, are a thing. How on earth adhering to a public standard can be considered an invention is beyond me, nor is how we got to the point that it is common enough to require its own special treatment. Maybe someone can change my mind on why this is an invention worth monopolising, but I doubt it.

Sadly it works the other way around, and this has a tendency to infect standardization proceedings. If you can put some technology that uses your patents in a standard like WiFi or 5G, that is a license to print money. There are plenty of good ideas that should be in a standard that are patented. Leaving aside the issue of whether it's good those patents exist, you do want that technology in the standards. So it's no…

> So it's not like you can say 'all IEEE standards should be patent free'.

What? Sure you can. See the W3C patent policy, as one example: https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20200915/

That other organizations do not do that is a choice.

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

bogwog wrote: post #37
marvion wrote: post #11

Weird choice of this site to mention their sources, but not linking them. - Heise reported this originally: https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Fritzboxen-AVM-verliert-Pat... - Golem basically summarized the Heise article: https://www.golem.de/news/patentklagen-avm-droht-vertriebsve...

Also the first title in the body is nonsense: > AVM threatens to ban the sale of Fritzbox routers So AVM is threatening to ban the sale of their own product? This looks like some SEO spam site with AI generated crap sprinkled on top.

>So AVM is threatening to ban the sale of their own product?

I assume they have a huge captive domestic market that such threats are effective. Imagine VW threatening to ban the sale of the Golf

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by bannee »

jsiepkes wrote: post #40
asylteltine wrote: post #39

China complaining about patent infringement? That’s rich.

I heard stories from people working at Nokia about Huawei copying manuals verbatim, including mistakes. And Huawei is not alone in this. When I first saw a TP-Link user interface I was confused. It looked exactly like the Unifi interface. At first I thought maybe Unifi OEM their stuff from TP-Link. Didn't take long to figure out they had just copied it.

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Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by d-k-bo »

cubefox wrote: post #27
marvion wrote: post #11

Weird choice of this site to mention their sources, but not linking them. - Heise reported this originally: https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Fritzboxen-AVM-verliert-Pat... - Golem basically summarized the Heise article: https://www.golem.de/news/patentklagen-avm-droht-vertriebsve...

And the article seems to be a stolen version of this German one: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Internet-Thema-34041/News/AVM...

The PCGH article references the golem article which references the heise article.

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by hnbad »

cubefox wrote: post #27
marvion wrote: post #11

Weird choice of this site to mention their sources, but not linking them. - Heise reported this originally: https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Fritzboxen-AVM-verliert-Pat... - Golem basically summarized the Heise article: https://www.golem.de/news/patentklagen-avm-droht-vertriebsve...

And the article seems to be a stolen version of this German one: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Internet-Thema-34041/News/AVM...

That would explain the wonky headline: "AVM droht ..." means "AVM is threatened with ..." but could be misread as "AVM threatens ..." ("AVM droht mit ..." or "AVM droht: ..."), especially in a cheap/automated translation.

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by rjsw »

rocqua wrote: post #14
contravariant wrote: post #4

Today I learned SEPs, standard essential patents, are a thing. How on earth adhering to a public standard can be considered an invention is beyond me, nor is how we got to the point that it is common enough to require its own special treatment. Maybe someone can change my mind on why this is an invention worth monopolising, but I doubt it.

Sadly it works the other way around, and this has a tendency to infect standardization proceedings. If you can put some technology that uses your patents in a standard like WiFi or 5G, that is a license to print money. There are plenty of good ideas that should be in a standard that are patented. Leaving aside the issue of whether it's good those patents exist, you do want that technology in the standards. So it's no…

Participants in ISO standardization meetings are required to disclose any patents that they hold that may apply to whatever is being discussed.

Re: Fritzbox: AVM is threatened with a sales ban due to violations of Huawei patents

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Post by hulitu »

jeroenhd wrote: post #30
arp242 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What GPL violations? I can't really find anything on than a single case from 2011 where AVM tried to prevent another company from distributing modified firmware for their routers. There's a lot of things you can say about that, but it's arguably not really a "GPL violation" as commonly understood, and a single incident in almost 40 years of history doesn't make a company "notorious".

Back in 2020 they also attempted to stop the sale of modified AVM second hand products running custom firmware based on the code they had to publish because of the GPL restrictions. They're still trying very hard to prevent people from modifying their hardware after purchase. The freedom to take a device and modify it to run your own changes is what the GPL is all about. Let's not forget the modern open source moveme…

They also do not support 3rd party DECTs. I had to use a cable to my Fritzbox to be able to use a DECT with addressbook. When connected as a DECT, The Fritzbox will not transmit the addressbook to the phone.
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