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Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

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Post by jk4930 » Fri, Apr 20, 2012, 9:05 PM UTC

robertgaal wrote: post #20

w1kke wrote: post #2

I am from Germany and I am really embarassed by the stupidity in my country. Youtube should just disable its service for Germany. Grooveshark did the same. Everyone who is serious about the internet could enable the service anyway.

Could you give a little more insights as to why this is happening specifically in your country?

Because we have certain organisations protected by the state (they're like early-retirement homes for political friends).

The organisation in question here, the GEMA, "protects" artists (in a similar way the music industry protects them) and they have special legal privileges (like that they can assume that every music record is protected by them and the other party has to prove otherwise).

We have a public broadcasting service that enchroaches with (redundant) channels (annual budget of 7 bn EUR). You have to pay a monthly fee once you have a TV or radio or computer, next year it's mandatory for every househeld (240 EUR annually). Good place for political friends.

We have chambers of commerce that you're required to "join" once you start a business. They waste money all the time and are unaccountable. Also for good political friends.

I guess you see the pattern... :( I won't go so far to call it a managed democracy or a crony cleptocracy, but often I get this impression.

Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

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Post by mattmanser » Sat, Apr 21, 2012, 9:39 AM UTC

redthrowaway wrote: post #37

mattmanser wrote: post #28

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Internet protection? You actually mean a copyrightless internet. That's never actually existed or everyone would still be using KaZaA. YouTube got greedy, they got slapped. Good for Germany for actually doing this to an American monopoly. Big deal. YouTube lied for too long about it being able too expensive to filter content. But now suddenly they can do it! And that now coincides almost exactly with when they starte…

So you've started a business, and against all odds you actually have users. Millions of them. Hundreds of millions of them. Now some ancient industry whose toes you've tread upon comes along and says, "Nein! Your users are doing things we don't like! It's your responsibility to stop them!" You're telling me that your reaction would be, "you're right. We got greedy. Good for you for forcing us to police what millions…

'ancient principle of common law'? Well thanks for the laugh at least.

According to you if I make and sell bombs it's unreasonable for a government to say 'make sure you don't sell them to nutters'.

It's a stupid argument. Of course there's a moral justification for such an edict.

Say I started a LOIC server tomorrow that people can use to attack websites. It's on EC2 so can scale wonderfully on demand. You think I can use your 'ancient principle of common law'?

I'm all for better delivery mechanisms, better competition, all that shit, but YouTube were making money off other people's hard work. They've always played with fire. YouTube even sailed close to the line of where things like gorrilavids are these days. At one point you could go on there and find pretty much any tv show you wanted. Do you know how you found them? Search for [series name] episode [x] series [x] or some variation like that.

Does that actually sound that hard to detect these with a simple automatic script? A bank breaking script? It's supposed to be user generated content, not ripped off content.

Re: YouTube loses court battle over music clips

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Post by schrijver » Sat, Apr 21, 2012, 11:37 PM UTC

So actually, due to disagreements with GEMA, many Youtube videos are already blocked in Germany, even if uploaded by the video clips copyright holders. I was in Stuttgart and couldn’t open a video by SBTRKT that was posted by their own label http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdUINbi4wSY