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California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

#41

I've been using this for a couple months now and it has not helped me at all. It didn't help with closing a PO box in SF, Car rental in Florida denied it, casino in Maryland denied it, but maybe in a couple years it'll be accepted. I think Bevmo accepted it IIRC.

CA says it’s a pilot program and so far only accepted at SFO and LAX. Rollout for something like this will be slow. Thats ok!

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

#42

We’ve had this in Colorado for several years now. On an iPhone, you can use guided access to restrict interactions with your phone… just triple press the power button. But there’s also a barcode they can scan to pull up the info on their own device. I rarely carry a wallet anymore… Apple Pay, Colorado state app and my insurance company’s website (or pdf of my card) has all of the info I ever need.

Just don’t lose your phone. You’d become a stateless ghost alienated from all the documentation that proves you’re a person.

You could say the same about your physical wallet.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

#43

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From the article they seem to be cognizant of this issue. > The mDL offers a quick and secure identity-check at airports, without handing over your phone.

The marketing material is misleading / naive. Cops routinely ask for ids at traffic stop and take them to their vehicle to verify the driver details in their system. I would imagine they would do the same with digital id and therefore one would need to hand them an unlocked phone as California digital DL doesn't appear to integrate with Apple Wallet yet?

Here in Denmark we also have a driver's license app. The app has a feature through which the user can identify themself to another party using the same app on their phone.

When used to identify, the app displays a series of QR codes which can be recorded by the 2nd phone through the camera. No need to hand over th e phone. It tranfers identifying information such as name, age and the photo so that the 2nd party can use it to validate on their screen.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

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Just don’t lose your phone. You’d become a stateless ghost alienated from all the documentation that proves you’re a person.

? The documents still exist stored safely in my home.

It's like losing your wallet, except there's a backup wallet at home. ;-)

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

#45
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This is the thing I think most people aren’t thinking about. I promise you the police either have or are cooking up a way as we speak to image the entire contents of your phone when you hand it to them. Until we get some laws in place around this stuff, no way.

Not from the US, so help me understand here, why would a traffic cop looking to verify a license want to image the entire contents of your phone?

People are needlessly paranoid because there will be a few incidents that get a lot of media attention and mindshare, despite being a vast minority of the time.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

#47
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The Estonian e-ID system and Qualified Electronic Signature in the EU are good ideas. The government issues you a signed identity. You can use that signed identity to counter-sign challenges in places you'd otherwise (in the US) need to use a Social Security Number and a convoluted private market identity-verification system (for example, the stupid "were you associated with this address 4.5 years ago" things). Like…

Now imagine they are under obligation to accept it, and you can get to the point where you can leave your wallet at home. With car keys being Bluetooth, I now don’t carry keys in my pocket. To not carry a wallet to drive to the grocery store either would be a joy. I like a physical lightness.

Add a home smart lock and you can get to the point where you only need to carry your phone.

Probably could go even further and only carry Apple Watch and AirPods in most cases!

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

#49
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You can use guided access to restrict access outside of the app. Here in Colorado, they just scan the barcode on the back and pull up the info on their own device.

You could, but in practice essentially no one will do this.

"in practice" everyone has faceid/touchid enabled, which means you can be compelled to unlock your phone, making this point moot to begin with.

Re: California DMV Digital ID Pilot Program

#50
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I got it when it was in limited beta. It's underwhelming. First problem is that it's another app on your phone instead of using the Wallet app. It's not clear why you wouldn't just use the Android/Apple app. The second problem is that even the SFO airport doesn't take them as legitimate IDs. For the folks who are worried about giving your phone to the cop - I guess I am not worried about it much. The cop has the righ…

"It's not clear why you wouldn't just use the Android/Apple app"

The QR code changes each time you open it. So you can't just screenshot it. I guess that's the same reason why you can't add it to Google wallet.

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