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'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by aaomidi »

dang wrote: post #2

All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…

Hey Dang, I think I've had a rate limit applied to my account from over a year ago. Do these rate limits expire? It's made it difficult to continue in some technical back & forths.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by SkipperCat »

suoduandao3 wrote: post #24
boeingUH60 wrote: post #18

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My taxes aren't funding that terrorist group.

But someone else's taxes are. Until we can convince both sides of this conflict that they need to love their children more than they hate their neighbor, this cycle will only repeat.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

srackey wrote: post #40
dang wrote: post #2

All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…

This is a highly politically charged conflict that’s mainly relevant for being a sort of rhetorical proxy conflict (see all the other conflicts going on that receive a fraction of the attention). The point of discussing this topic is to rhetorically battle. Unlike say, the current civil war in Burma or Sudan, or the Azeri-Armenian war, basically everyone who clicks on this will have an opinion that’s not, well, acade…

That is not the only point of discussing this topic, and definitely not the point of discussing it here. This follows from HN's core principle* because curiosity and battle can't be active at the same time.

I agree with you about this:

> everyone who clicks on this will have an opinion that’s not, well, academic let’s say

... but as I've explained elsewhere in this thread, I don't think suppressing the topic outright is a solution either (I mean a solution to the particular constraints of this site, not in general).

So what do we do? We each work in ourselves to find a larger space than just our own opinion. We make room for the other alongside ourselves. If we can do that, we'll be able to comment from a place of openness rather than battle. For those who feel too intensely to do so: that is human—let's just be aware enough to recognize that state in ourselves and refrain from posting as long as we're in that state.

* https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by nradov »

suoduandao3 wrote: post #24
boeingUH60 wrote: post #18

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My taxes aren't funding that terrorist group.

False. US taxpayers fund UN agencies which have sent large amounts of foreign aid to Gaza. Much of that money is diverted or embezzled by Hamas.

https://apnews.com/article/business-middle-east-israel-forei...

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by tasubotadas »

banku_brougham wrote: post #5

Im glad to see the community engage with this -- there couldnt be a more significant current event happening right now and its jarring that it would be so silent. Edit: And why is it relevant here? At a minimum coworkers are suffering silently through it. The emotional damage just for internet bystanders is staggering.

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Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by blaufast »

skyyler wrote: post #11

The things I've read about happening in Gaza are horrific. I'm ashamed that my taxes are funding this. It doesn't feel like there's much that can be done to change that. AIPAC has a very serious influence on our government and I worry that its impact is just leading to more deaths and more suffering.

Same. Then reminds me that the creation of the United States was based on strategic, coordinated genocide and I feel even worse.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by ido »

dang wrote: post #2

All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…

Thank you, Dang.

As someone on the Israeli left I feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place- I do not condone Netanyahu and his government and am indeed very critical of Israeli governments of the past decades. But on the other side, my 78 year old mother is fleeing to shelter every couple hours as my hometown (not anywhere near the west bank or the Gaza strip) gets hit by rockets, as do my young nieces and nephews, some of which developed psychological issues from the stress. And the stories from what people experienced on the October 7th attacks wrench my gut.

At the same time I'm also sorry for the Palestinians suffering during this war, the vast majority of them civilians. I wish instead of people treating it like a football match where you to support "your side", they could process the nuance of opposing any violence towards civilians and support peace (with the goal of a two state solution with Israel and Palestine co-existing according to the 1967 borders and UN resolution 242).

IMO this would require that both Netanyahu and Hamas do not stay in power.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by ngcazz »

myth_drannon wrote: post #25
noworriesnate wrote: post #13

> “When they spoke to us in Hebrew and we wouldn’t understand, they’d beat us up,” he continues. > “They hit me in the back where my kidneys are and my legs. They took my family, and I don’t know where they are,” he says, his voice breaking. > Before they were forced inside the warehouse, Israeli female soldiers came and spat on the men, Mohammed recalls. > In the warehouse, it was common for groups of five soldiers…

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The same Israel who wanted the US to believe a mere calendar was proof of terrorist presence, or that a laminated Al Qaeda poster from 2004 "recovered" was proof said terrorists were prepping chemical weapons, or worse, who keeps telling Gazans they'll be safe in X before bombing the place.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by ardit33 »

ameminator wrote: post #9
banku_brougham wrote: post #5

Im glad to see the community engage with this -- there couldnt be a more significant current event happening right now and its jarring that it would be so silent. Edit: And why is it relevant here? At a minimum coworkers are suffering silently through it. The emotional damage just for internet bystanders is staggering.

In my experience, the "benefit of the doubt" has been lost in relation to this subject. I no longer believe it is possible to have any thread about this remain civil. It's tragic and a tragic subject, although I dispute the "there couldn't be a more significant current event" - lots of events are equally (or more) significant and relevant. I hope to be proven wrong, but I have doubts.

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