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Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by BizarroLand »

jefftk wrote: post #32
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #29

> as Sony just decided to yoink over a thousand seasons—that's right, seasons, not episodes—of Discovery shows from the PlayStation Store Didn't realize Sony owned Discovery, oh wait they don't. So it's actually Discovery who's licensing caused Sony to be legally obligated to remove the shows. Sucks if you bought it but yeah just like the games in your Steam library you never actually owned it, you merely licensed it…

Sony shouldn't have sold shows to their customers without first negotiating contracts with the rightsholders ensuring Sony wouldn't have to renege.

And really, Netflix screwed the pooch on this one right at the start by not making licensing rights irrevocable.

They could have said, "we'll pay $0.XXX per stream" and media companies would have said, "yay, more money for old crap we don't care about any more" and that would have been that.

But because they didn't make it irrevocable, companies have been rug pulling customers ever since

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by isoprophlex »

widowlark wrote: post #13

Capitalism responds to demand. We have to stop paying for convenience and start demanding better. Save your money from Streaming, purchase used and physical only. Force the market to adapt to you.

The causative factor behind Doctorow's enshittification is these asshat companies controlling both the demand and the supply side.

Disintermediation killed the mom and pop music stores, streaming outright killed physical media. Kids starting university don't understand the concept of a file system; documents just live in the docs app, right?

Maybe we end up in a situation where there's no escape because the median user is held hostage by the lack of knowledge how the internet should have been.

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by maratc »

xerox13ster wrote: post #27
oldandboring wrote: post #20

In a very strange way it's almost a return to the pre-VHS days (for video) and pre-vinyl days (for music). You could enjoy the content streamed to you over the airwaves but that was it.

In the order that they wanted you to hear it.

With unskippable ads.

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by pavel_lishin »

chx wrote: post #15

The beautifully written but not much known Rune Blades Of Celi ebooks no longer can be purchased, as the small publisher is just gone. Of course, the ones I purchased could no longer be downloaded. But want something bigger? Fine. The Wheel Of Time (is that large enough for you?) Complete Edition I bought for over a hundred dollars also can't be donwloaded any more. (And to be more on topic, one of my favorite artist…

> Tell me true, if you can't buy them how on earth it is piracy to download them?

People would argue that it's up to the seller whether they want to make their creations available. If I don't want to sell you something, then I'd entertain the argument that downloading it anyway is in some sense immoral or unethical.

But in your situation, you've already fucking bought it! It's as if you placed a pick-up order at the bookstore, showed up to pick up your books, and they told you to eat shit. In which case, acquiring it through other means is completely acceptable, morally and ethically.

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by Semaphor »

bloomingeek wrote: post #40
Semaphor wrote: post #3

At least so far, Bandcamp has not changed after the sale (neither sale). You can still buy music, and try it out for multiple album streams before buying (unless the artist or label disable it, which is rare), and download as FLAC. Granted, not always useful if what you want is from major labels, but still, keep in mind that there are options.

For what's it's worth, I use mp3caprice.com to download zipped music. The prices are pretty fair and I don't have to store another CD on the shelf. The bitrate is decent and I can find albums that aren't available anymore. The bonus for me is, since I subscribe to Mojo magazine, I can Youtube new artists and if I like them, go download the music.

That looks like piracy, but paying someone for it? Thanks, but I actually prefer to support the artists I listen to, and when I can’t afford to, or it’s impractical, to not pay those who prevent artists from getting money.

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by georgeecollins »

I buy mp3s so I will always have them. People think I am a crank- maybe so.

The difference with media today is that the control often stays in the hands of another party, often not the rights holder. I can accept that knowing that everything I buy I am just renting.

The thing that scares me is how a third party can make something effectively impossible to discover. In this generation that's done for profit. But you can imagine where that will lead when what everyone sees is curated in a way they aren't aware of.

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by pavel_lishin »

Semaphor wrote: post #12
Syonyk wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't there some recent article about how Bandcamp got acquired by a competitor and is more or less being left to rot on the vine? I agree, the FLAC downloads are a major perk of it, and I'll happily buy music there. But I wouldn't trust it to be around long term at this point. It's too consumer-friendly to exist long term in this modern world we live in. :(

Bandcamp doesn't need to change, it can just keep going. That's what I meant with "neither sale", because there were also some (if fewer) doomsayers for the epic sale. It got sold. Nothing changed. And again, you own the music, if it stops existing that sucks, but only for the future, everything you bought, you still have. And fwiw, I don't think anything for Bandcamp will change.

> And again, you own the music, if it stops existing that sucks, but only for the future, everything you bought, you still have.

Only if you downloaded the mp3s/flacs, and also backed them up.

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by pierat »

azzentys wrote: post #37
pierat wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by at_a_remove »

I'm considering some kind of combination of autoloader feeding either Exact Audio Copy (which isn't set up for them) or dbpoweramp (which apparently is set up for them) to get metadata, then I guess I will have to pirate or rebuy discs when the AccurateRip indicates that there's some damage to the disc.

I've avoided iTunes and its descendants due to all of the horror stories about destroyed music libraries and music "helpfully" replaced in error. Similarly, I haven't signed up for any streaming music since I have an el-cheapo plan and these services sound like they tell you what to listen to.

I think having somewhat weird tastes in music and being particular about it has some overlap with having to seek technical solutions which are also not-mainsteam. I am reminded of Pictures for Sad Children, wherein a character's musical preference is "Whatever is on the radio, played a reasonable volume." and realize I am at the other end of that spectrum.

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