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Europe needs to escape providerism

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Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

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post #8

Why US Fails to Distribute Wealth?

Because equal distribution of wealth takes away all motivation for hard work and innovation. There's no point to work hard just to have your profits taken away in taxes and distributed to lazy bastards that didn't bother to finish high school.

America is a land of opportunity: you either win big or lose terribly. Europe is for people who want to play it safe.

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#42
post #20

This applies for literally every country except the US and China. It's not like any of the other G20 countries (not to mention the entire rest of the world) have anything close to "a US tech sector" or anything approaching the level of engineering/science/product/manufacturing capability of the US. California is where the entire world population goes to when they wanna make stuff.

If you're considering not just tech, but the general mindset of being somewhere that builds/produces things that other people use, as opposed to just industries of middlemen who skim off the top, then I'd argue India also has that mindset, maybe a few other SE asian countries too, and furthermore that nowhere is quite as bad as Europe in terms of having the opposite mindset.

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#43
post #4

And yet Europeans have vastly higher life quality than Americans ... I wonder why that is ...

Having been to both, this is… false.

I hope you’re not basing this on news reports, because that’s never going to give you an accurate picture.

In the US, I was blown away by the amount of wealth even “poor” Americans have, and how friendly, optimistic, and happy everyone is.

In Europe, I only saw this in the richest few countries, and even there most people seemed to be stuck in some sort of constrained, nice-but-middle class mode of life.

To be clear, I really loved Europe - and Europeans - and it does better with some important things - healthcare, walkability, baking bread, no mass shootings.

But there’s a clear difference overall, and it goes the other way.

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#44
post #5

For some definitions of wealth, surely. By most quality of life metrics, the average (Western) European is doing as well or better than the average American.

Can you cite some specifics? I’ve travelled to quite a few places in Europe and coming from the American Midwest, we are beating much of Europe in most/all QoL metrics by a mile. Much larger and nicer homes, larger properties, mincer automobiles, more variety of all consumer goods, higher incomes, more wealth and social mobility to name a few and I live in “flyover” country.

It's a matter of opinion and what people want, but from American i crossed path with who settled in western Europe: accessible health-care, better infrastructures, holidays and work-life balance are some of the things that are recurring.

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#46

It's tempting to read just the headline and see an opportunity to express your views on the great Europe vs US online debate (everyone has a take), but the article does have an interesting thesis. > If you wanted to regulate AI, I think you’d want to regulate somewhere at the production level, not at the consumption level. Why is it that the EU regulators are focusing entirely on the consumption level? > Well, becaus…

I am really surprised how someone could miss all the industry making stuff in Europe while there.

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#47

For some definitions of wealth, surely. By most quality of life metrics, the average (Western) European is doing as well or better than the average American.

Americans have significantly higher disposable income[0] and household net worth[1], and less debt[2]. By what QOL metrics is the average Western European doing better than the average American?

[0] https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-disposable-income.htm

[1] https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-net-worth.htm#indicator-...

[2] https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-debt.htm

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet 3x more Europeans immigrate to the US than Americans going the other direction. People vote with their feet and I feel like the EU vs US online discource is mainly based on vibes rather than facts.

Well firstly there's about 2x more Europeans than Americans by population, and secondly 44% of Americans don't even own a passport.

Only 41% of Germans have a passport. I don't see your point. We can adjust for population and the data is still clear. EU citizens would rather be in the US than the other way around. And the EU is only about 30% larger not 100%.

Re: Europe needs to escape providerism

#50
post #4

And yet Europeans have vastly higher life quality than Americans ... I wonder why that is ...

This sort of snarky comment adds nothing to the discussion. In many ways, European countries are coasting along on wealth exploitation resulting from centuries of colonialism. North America is similar but the US in particular is absolutely dominant at the modern knowledge economy. This is where Europe in general lags behind. Europe’s glory days are behind it. The glory days of the US are ahead of it. Europeans have a…

Modern knowledge economy? So healthcare doesn't count towards it ? Because the really cool stuff in healthcare comes from Europe, you could see it during Covid with Novartis, Roche and Bayer.
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