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Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by stonith »

haxial wrote: post #11

I moved from Windows 10 to Linux at the end of 2021 and don't miss it a bit. Except for Steam, Reaper, and Discord, all other software I use is FOSS, and it's so dang good! I feel bad for the people who have to stick with Windows because they need to use Adobe or Microsoft products. Desktop Linux is in such a good place right now, and it's only getting better thanks to all the great developers.

What did you do about Reaper? I'm in a similar boat and I'm not super excited about moving to another DAW.

EDIT I didn't realise there's a linux build for Reaper now! I guess I'll still have to sort out how to run my VSTs but that's probably a case by case thing.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by seltzered_ »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #14
haxial wrote: post #11

I moved from Windows 10 to Linux at the end of 2021 and don't miss it a bit. Except for Steam, Reaper, and Discord, all other software I use is FOSS, and it's so dang good! I feel bad for the people who have to stick with Windows because they need to use Adobe or Microsoft products. Desktop Linux is in such a good place right now, and it's only getting better thanks to all the great developers.

How's things like sleep, hibernate, system wide touchpad gestures, HW video decode and fractional scaling working in the land of linux these days? I know if you can live without those then Linux is daily drivable for a long time, but I need all of them to work flawlessly, and every time I try Linux on my bare metal laptop a lot of those features are still missing, janky or require research and tinkering. I really wan…

Touchpad gestures - improved a bunch around 2021 thanks to efforts mentioned in https://linuxtouchpad.org/ .

Sleep/Hibernate - I remember hearing about some issues a couple years ago but haven't seen them lately, I think Intel has finally fixed some issues https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-S0ix-Linux-Failure-Hot

(Bias: went from being fairly attached to macOS to switching to Linux a couple years ago)

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

Alifatisk wrote: post #38
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well. I've also noticed that if you build the ISO yourself via UUP dump[1], instead of using the official ISO from Microsoft, then you get a bare start menu with no bloatware or ads, just Explorer and Edge. Nice. [1] https://uupdump.net/

> You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well. Oh, because the update button in the settings says my hardware does not meet the requirements.

I meant if you do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check.

Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button obviously doesn't work (unless there's some hacks for it that came out, I don't know I always do a clean install between major versions since I don't want all the years of cruft and changes from one version to be carried over and maybe mess up something).

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by Scarbutt »

haxial wrote: post #11

I moved from Windows 10 to Linux at the end of 2021 and don't miss it a bit. Except for Steam, Reaper, and Discord, all other software I use is FOSS, and it's so dang good! I feel bad for the people who have to stick with Windows because they need to use Adobe or Microsoft products. Desktop Linux is in such a good place right now, and it's only getting better thanks to all the great developers.

I feel bad for the people who have to stick with Windows because they need to use Adobe or Microsoft products.

I don't how good it is, but Google literally forced Microsoft to create a web version of office, so now Linux users have excel?

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by ska »

JohnFen wrote: post #37
ska wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying all the sleep/hibernate, touch-pad, wifi, etc. issues that have plagued linux on laptops for decades at this point have now been resolved?

I haven't had issues with any of that stuff (using Debian) for years. YMMV, of course.

It did vary, last time I checked, but I'm not up to date.

Maybe time to try again.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by leetrout »

binkHN wrote: post #39

I've planned for this by migrating to Linux; I received a new machine with Windows 11 and was so abhorred by what an abomination it is that I switched my OS after using Windows for what feels like forever. Maybe 2025 will be the year of Linux on the desktop and we'll have Microsoft to thank? I know I have Microsoft to thank for opening my eyes to a Linux desktop.

Yea someone just posted similar thoughts the other day. Microsoft making windows worse is making linux desktop environments look much better.

I am a fan of pop_OS.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by binkHN »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #14
haxial wrote: post #11

I moved from Windows 10 to Linux at the end of 2021 and don't miss it a bit. Except for Steam, Reaper, and Discord, all other software I use is FOSS, and it's so dang good! I feel bad for the people who have to stick with Windows because they need to use Adobe or Microsoft products. Desktop Linux is in such a good place right now, and it's only getting better thanks to all the great developers.

How's things like sleep, hibernate, system wide touchpad gestures, HW video decode and fractional scaling working in the land of linux these days? I know if you can live without those then Linux is daily drivable for a long time, but I need all of them to work flawlessly, and every time I try Linux on my bare metal laptop a lot of those features are still missing, janky or require research and tinkering. I really wan…

> How's things like sleep, hibernate, system wide touchpad gestures, HW video decode and fractional scaling working in the land of linux these days?

I use a ThinkPad, so I prefer the TrackPoint and rarely use the TrackPad, but everything else works excellently, especially with KDE.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

binkHN wrote: post #47
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How's things like sleep, hibernate, system wide touchpad gestures, HW video decode and fractional scaling working in the land of linux these days? I know if you can live without those then Linux is daily drivable for a long time, but I need all of them to work flawlessly, and every time I try Linux on my bare metal laptop a lot of those features are still missing, janky or require research and tinkering. I really wan…

> How's things like sleep, hibernate, system wide touchpad gestures, HW video decode and fractional scaling working in the land of linux these days? I use a ThinkPad, so I prefer the TrackPoint and rarely use the TrackPad, but everything else works excellently, especially with KDE.

>but everything else works excellently, especially with KDE

Everything else? Including Wayland, fractional scaling on non-Qt apps, sleep, hibernate and HW video decode?

Yeah, I know if you have very common HW and restricted use cases, like track-point, USB mouse, display without fractional scaling, not using sleep/hibernate etc, then everything just works but those also "just worked" on Linux for the past 20 years.

I need linux to work on modern HW with modern quality of life features enabled that all the other OSs have out of the box, not to have to go back in time on how we used PCs 20 years ago just so Linux can feel at home.

If stuff like hibernate or mixed-DPI fractional scaling is still a foreign concept to it, then it's not year of the linux desktop for me.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by encom »

dingdingdang wrote: post #36
sonicanatidae wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can run Win11 on non-compliant hardware. Check out Rufus.

Can vouch for this option. Works reliably but still worth disconnecting internet to make sure local account creation is easily available.

That won't do it any more. Now you have to invoke a command prompt on setup and run some commands to bypass online account requirement. Until they close that loophole also. Absolute turd of an OS. In only have it on a separate partition for games that wont run on Proton.
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