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The pro-Israel information war

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by _3u10 »

master_crab wrote: post #13
jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by mastazi »

sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #27
jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. > If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views. That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other. N…

I don't think that parent is suggesting that platforms are actively prioritising one over the other.

I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances, and the fact that the apps are not available in some markets.

As a result, certain views are prioritised as a byproduct of the fact that all modern social media apps have an algorithm that shows you more of what you already agree with, in order to maximise ad profits.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by aga98mtl »

jjgreen wrote: post #17
master_crab wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

Funny how so many otherwise clever people get confused about this.

I would be surprised if clever people were actually confused about that. Only a rich person like PG can afford to say the emperor has no clothes.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by csydas »

ForkMeOnTinder wrote: post #8
metadat wrote: post #6

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https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics

This is a story about social media technology and a fairly deep and documented look at how a specific group is using this technology to spread their version of propaganda and harassment.

The use of the technology may be political, but I would not call this a political article. I was surprised this made it to the front page too at first but as I read on, it ended up being a really interesting article detailing fairly specifically how social media tech is used to engage in harassment, attack people for voicing an opposing political opinion, alter public narratives on important divisive events, etc. It's probably the most plain explanation of how this process works and how social media tech accelerates it I've read to date.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by mytailorisrich »

master_crab wrote: post #13
jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by KittenInABox »

wk_end wrote: post #32
holmesworcester wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another possible explanation for this skew is that TikTok and IG are primarily video platforms. The videos of destruction and death in Gaza are far more horrific than corresponding videos in Israel, because the scale of what Israel is doing to Gaza is so much greater than what Gaza has done to Israel. Another way of saying it is, it makes sense that someone who spends hours on apps optimized for empathy-based addicti…

It's also the nature of the violence. It's generally acceptable to show shots of bombed-out buildings and the like, or even display injured or dead bodies. The footage we and Israel have from Hamas depicts first-hand murder, rape and torture - all things which are going to violate TOS.

I'm confused when you say that its acceptable to display injured or dead bodies, and yet its violating TOS to display murder or torture. The photo of a murder vs a photo of a bombed body is not something I understand to be distinctly different nor something that would be able to be detected by the algorithm.

[Small addition: I've actually seen videos of (alleged) hamas torture, particularly the torture and killing of a specific woman, from Oct 7, not taken down from TOS. I just was under the impression, because there are literally more Palestinian dead people, there will be more photos of dead Palestinians.]

[Edited to add, since I'm apparently posting too fast: no, I really do mean there were censored videos of that naked woman in the back of a hamas truck from Oct 7! And that one video of an Israeli woman who lives close enough to the bombing that she can hear it in the context that it gives her peace to know the bombing is happening!]

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by beltsazar »

master_crab wrote: post #13
jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

It depends on "Israeli what".

Anti Israeli government: It's not antisemitic.

Anti Israeli people: It's antisemitic.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by dang »

ForkMeOnTinder wrote: post #8
metadat wrote: post #6

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https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics

The rub is the word 'most', which means there's a line to draw—one which everyone would draw differently.

What I can at least say is that HN's approach to this has been pretty stable for years now, and we do our best to practice it even-handedly.

If anyone wants to read about what the approach is, see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by mytailorisrich »

aga98mtl wrote: post #43
jjgreen wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how so many otherwise clever people get confused about this.

I would be surprised if clever people were actually confused about that. Only a rich person like PG can afford to say the emperor has no clothes.

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