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Re: Kagi Search – Paywalled articles indicator and improved weather widget

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Post by llamaInSouth »

aryonoco wrote: post #17

Every once in a while, I looked for an alternative to Google. I have given them all a go, but none of them stayed as my default for more than a few days. Until Kagi. I absolutely did not think I would pay for a search engine. Especially as I've recently been on a quest to cut every unnecessary subscription. YouTube Premium is gone (thanks to 83/% family plan price hike). Half of my dozen or so domains are gone... you…

For me, Google search started declining dramatically in quality when they took away the Plus Operator ... which was probably around that time

You would think a mega company would think more long term then that

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Post by fermiNitambh »

hovering_nox wrote: post #35
aryonoco wrote: post #17

Every once in a while, I looked for an alternative to Google. I have given them all a go, but none of them stayed as my default for more than a few days. Until Kagi. I absolutely did not think I would pay for a search engine. Especially as I've recently been on a quest to cut every unnecessary subscription. YouTube Premium is gone (thanks to 83/% family plan price hike). Half of my dozen or so domains are gone... you…

I feel like people are sleeping on Kagi FastGPT, its their amazing search combined with their summariser and a llm model that gives me the answers directly without having to search myself. https://kagi.com/fastgpt

I swear! Kagi FastGPT gives you references too!

Re: Kagi Search – Paywalled articles indicator and improved weather widget

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gregdoesit wrote: post #31

I've been using Kagi as my default search engine for about 2 months now. I love it, and feel so far that it's well worth the $108 per year: just by not having to spend mental energy to scroll through the first several sponsored results; and try and decide if a result is paid or not. I set Kagi to be my default search in my browser (Chrome). For specific searches like stocks, maps or restaurant reviews, I still use th…

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Post by strogonoff »

I’m wary of making Kagi a habit since I am positive in medium term they won’t be profitable with their current model. Flat rate won’t cover outliers and abusers, so once they really start losing money on expensive LLM-based features the regular users will get burnt—either I will have to pay more, or the experience will get worse due to cost-cutting measures, or they betray my trust by monetizing user data, accepting more investment which never comes without strings attached, or just selling the business.

The best possible, most honest and sustainable option would be usage-based billing, but it appears that Kagi have decided against that route.

I’m a moderately happy customer and would hands down recommend Kagi, but personally wouldn’t use it by default as the inevitable cost of changing my habit again in future puts me off.

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Post by gostsamo »

strogonoff wrote: post #45

I’m wary of making Kagi a habit since I am positive in medium term they won’t be profitable with their current model. Flat rate won’t cover outliers and abusers, so once they really start losing money on expensive LLM-based features the regular users will get burnt—either I will have to pay more, or the experience will get worse due to cost-cutting measures, or they betray my trust by monetizing user data, accepting…

Just drop them when they fail/become bad. No reason to miss now for some future eventuality which does not affect the present.

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Post by Sakos »

strogonoff wrote: post #45

I’m wary of making Kagi a habit since I am positive in medium term they won’t be profitable with their current model. Flat rate won’t cover outliers and abusers, so once they really start losing money on expensive LLM-based features the regular users will get burnt—either I will have to pay more, or the experience will get worse due to cost-cutting measures, or they betray my trust by monetizing user data, accepting…

On the flipside, I whole-heartedly recommend Kagi because I haven't gotten the sense they're running an unsustainable VC-backed business. As long as Kagi exists and provides such a competent search engine, I'm willing to give them my money monthly. I don't see an alternative if I want something other than Google or Bing.

They've repeatedly adjusted their pricing and usage rate billing based on their needs so that I don't feel there's a real risk from abusers/exploiters. They seem to be pragmatic enough to clamp down on that kind of thing as soon as they see how the costs develop under current circumstances and caused by what users/user habits.

I have that faith in them because so far they've been very transparent in their blog posts about when they've made changes and why.

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Post by chrisandchris »

aryonoco wrote: post #17

Every once in a while, I looked for an alternative to Google. I have given them all a go, but none of them stayed as my default for more than a few days. Until Kagi. I absolutely did not think I would pay for a search engine. Especially as I've recently been on a quest to cut every unnecessary subscription. YouTube Premium is gone (thanks to 83/% family plan price hike). Half of my dozen or so domains are gone... you…

Similar here. I didn't know Kagi until, as I remember, there was an article here on HN. I thought too why should I pay for search?

Kagi basically won me after I realised I can exclude whole domains from search results - now Pinterest, Stackshare and all those AI-generated content filler sites are gone from my search results. Search results are great and it's just worth it.

The only advantage Google so far has IMHO is location-aware search. For certain keywords (like "gym") it feels like Google better looks for results that are within your area, whereas Kagi needs some more input (like a city/district name).

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Post by vachina »

aryonoco wrote: post #17

Every once in a while, I looked for an alternative to Google. I have given them all a go, but none of them stayed as my default for more than a few days. Until Kagi. I absolutely did not think I would pay for a search engine. Especially as I've recently been on a quest to cut every unnecessary subscription. YouTube Premium is gone (thanks to 83/% family plan price hike). Half of my dozen or so domains are gone... you…

Ditto. Got to know Kagi via HN and found myself needing to use Kagi more often.

Google search feels more like shopping search nowadays.

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Post by jve »

reddalo wrote: post #37
28304283409234 wrote: post #14

For me it just brings a lot of peace of mind to be able to click on any link and not have it blocked by ublock or pihole. All links are what Kagi believes to be valid results.

Semi-off topic, but do you recommend using both uBlock and Pihole? I'm currently a uBlock user (on Firefox), and I was thinking of setting up a Pihole. Thanks!

pihole works by filtering whatever device is on your network, even if it doesn't support ublock... and coming changes in Google Chrome manifest v3 doesn't impact pihole.

Cannot judge on the quality filtering tho.

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