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The first electro-mechanical desktop synthesizer

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Re: The first electro-mechanical desktop synthesizer

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Hmm, sounds novel at first. But when I looked at the description of the synthesizer and their videos, I noticed that these are not free-running motors that would do their own thing. Instead, these are brushless DC motors tightly controlled with a feedback loop (that's why they can spin up and down so quickly without noticeable over- and undershoot, which you would hear similar to when you bend a string too much when plucking it).

OK, motors could have spindle play and other imperfections that could make the optical disk tumble a bit and introduce phase effects. Or, as WalterBright wrote, there could be resonances between the motors. Yet, all this tight feedback makes them control the acceleration and deceleration tightly. There is nothing analogue to how these motors are driven. Not an old motor spinning up at its own pace, it's all pre-determined by the motor controller. The motors precisely follows the pre-determined speed curves, from what I hear, similar to how a digital oscillator will. Plus, the envelope is digital anyway.

One of my first thoughts was: Cool, so I can touch the oscillators and skew the pitch! No, I can't. First, there's a cover. ;) But I guess the motor controller controls the pitch so tightly that the effect would not be musically interesting. Compared to when you put your finger on a vinyl deck, for example, which has much larger mass and often a much slower motor control, leading to these slow glides.

Apart from the fancy looks, I really wonder which interesting new soundscapes this instrument can make available. To me, this looks like a "normal" oscillator with ADSR control, just re-labelled as acceleration and brake parameters.

Re: The first electro-mechanical desktop synthesizer

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I think my electromechanical synth is way more interesting. It's a coat rack with 2 strings with stereo pickup, and played using a rotary magnetic bow, which is an Open Sound Controlled drone motor with a 3D printed wheel with an arrangement of magnets. Only the spinning magnetic field of the bow touches the strings. It is played by subtly controlling the velocity of the wheel. I call it an electroduochord. Here's a…

I got vibes of Eno's Apollo from the first youtube you shared. Bravo.

Ah, Thanks. An honourable comparison.

If this sort of stuff is your thing, I recommend the work of Trombonist Stuart Dempster, the recordings of Australian composer Alan Lamb, and Trilogie de la Mort by Éliane Radigue.

Re: The first electro-mechanical desktop synthesizer

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As much as I love the analog sound of early electric guitars and keyboards, I'm okay with simulations. After all, at the end of the day any possible sound is the output of a one dimensional function that takes the time and returns a value. You call this function 40k times a second (at most), wiggle a voltage in proportion to the return value, feed the output stream into a digital-to analog-converter of some sort, and…

> wiggle a voltage in proportion to the return value, feed the output stream into a digital-to analog-converter The first part of this sentence, the wiggle, is already a DAC.

You're right, I misspoke. The DAC turns data into a voltage wiggle which moves the magnet which moves the membrane of the speaker. But my point stands, I think.

Re: The first electro-mechanical desktop synthesizer

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found the rich synth kid.

Maybe one day! I don't own any hardware synths. I do own several guitars, though. To be fair; I didn't go to a bunch of elite schools so I probably didn't have the same exposure to the level of rich kid that you do/did.

I meant it mostly in jest. Most of the rich synth kids I've met have been rich kids in the rave/burner scene that got so into the music that they wanted to make it but didn't know how to play any instruments, but I'm sure there's plenty of synth hoarders at the fancy schools.

If I had the money I'd probably be one myself. I love blinkenlights and analog electronics and electronic music, but have zero musical talent.

Re: The first electro-mechanical desktop synthesizer

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I'd ask that you define what "playing" a synthesizer entails. A lot of that comes down to designing sounds, especially given the fact that you have so many different kinds of oscillators interacting with each other. Someone can play a keyboard, perhaps, but that's only one of many interfaces to interact with synthesizers. It's not really the same as a guitar, where your fingers are directly responsible for the vibrat…

found the rich synth kid.

Yeah...they had to quit fondling their $400 oxygen free silver plated kevlar coated audiophile USB cable[1] long enough to lecture us on the nature of music.

And demand their mom bring them Cheesy Poofs.

[1] No, really...https://www.dedicatedaudio.com/collections/digital/products/...

Re: The first electro-mechanical desktop synthesizer

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Yeah...I know a couple of folks with 5-figure $US synth collections who can't actually play. They futz around with the knobs and press a couple of keys and call it 'ambient' or 'trance' or somesuch. See also: guitar hoarders.

Ehhh, some guitar hoarders just like the different variations. Some actually understand the differences between guitars and have different ones for different sounds. Most studios have at least five different electric guitars not to show off, but because they need them in order to create different soundscapes. The way you can tell who a shiny hoarder is, is that they go for the extremely expensive stuff when a real pl…

I'm obviously not talking about people with multiple instruments because they're looking for a particular effect. I'm talking about people who have 2 Juno-60s they can't really play because it's just money and "I'm a musician...you should see my studio" is a pickup line that worked that one time.
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