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DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by hotpotamus »

kiba wrote: post #23
8bitben wrote: post #18

The platform fees and the insane menu price markups that restaurants apply for delivery app orders have made it impractical to use Uber Eats & DoorDash for a couple years now IMO. I only ever consider using them when offered at least 50% off. Mandated minimum earnings will benefit the drivers, but that won't help drivers that have to quit the platforms because people stop using them.

They aren't really viable business models to begin with. Only VC funding can keep these online platform up.

I've never really gotten this. We can speculate about the intelligence of VCs, but I assume most of them know a bit of basic math. I wonder if perhaps they are so deep into a bubble of wealth and privilege that to them, spending $50 for a (cold by the time it arrives) burger seemed reasonable. Perhaps they thought that once everyone could experience this for an amount of money they find trifling, it would catch on?

I've used these services a time or two just to see what the fuss is about and I don't get it myself.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by jon_richards »

hoten wrote: post #12
koolba wrote: post #8

> Dashers who deliver in NYC will now earn at least $29.93 per hour of active time, nearly twice NYC’s $15 minimum wage for other workers. What’s a realistic amount of “active time” per hour? I’m assuming waiting for a job is not active time right? > These new regulations will force us to raise fees for orders in New York City. In order to better balance the impact of these new costs, we’re moving the option to tip i…

They should be forced to be honest and call it a bid, not a tip.

I think it should be illegal to ask for a variable tip before a service is substantially completed. Go ahead and charge a fixed gratuity, but prepaying tips is silly.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by toomuchtodo »

dangrossman wrote: post #20
toomuchtodo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Living wage > consumer excess. Walk to the restaurant if you can't afford it.

The sick and disabled greatly value the advent of delivery apps. Not all who use them can reasonably "just pick it up yourself".

So the suffering of the sick and disabled is of higher value (by some measure) than that of DoorDash gig workers? Why not both? DoorDash can have less profits, and government can provide some support, and everyone comes out ahead except shareholders getting a bit less return (oh noes) and management having lower comp (again, oh noes). These are the people doing the actual work.

You are pitting the wrong socioeconomic strata against each other via your argument.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by mym1990 »

kiba wrote: post #23
8bitben wrote: post #18

The platform fees and the insane menu price markups that restaurants apply for delivery app orders have made it impractical to use Uber Eats & DoorDash for a couple years now IMO. I only ever consider using them when offered at least 50% off. Mandated minimum earnings will benefit the drivers, but that won't help drivers that have to quit the platforms because people stop using them.

They aren't really viable business models to begin with. Only VC funding can keep these online platform up.

Not sure why you got downvoted, its true. These platforms are all a race to the bottom to capture market share and then jack up of prices to recover lost revenue. Overall, it ends up being a terrible experience for the customer and the driver/deliverer.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by Nextgrid »

kiba wrote: post #23
8bitben wrote: post #18

The platform fees and the insane menu price markups that restaurants apply for delivery app orders have made it impractical to use Uber Eats & DoorDash for a couple years now IMO. I only ever consider using them when offered at least 50% off. Mandated minimum earnings will benefit the drivers, but that won't help drivers that have to quit the platforms because people stop using them.

They aren't really viable business models to begin with. Only VC funding can keep these online platform up.

The basic concept of food delivery existed long before tech and VC and was viable.

The only reason these companies can't turn a profit is because all those microservices, ads and "engagement" don't come for free.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by filoleg »

FriedPickles wrote: post #25
hoten wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should be forced to be honest and call it a bid, not a tip.

It works as a bid but only up to a certain amount, above which Dasher just shows the offer with e.g. "$6+ tip", hiding the full tip amount until after the order is delivered.

Oh wow, this is actually interesting.

Out of curiosity, do you happen to know whether the threshold for hiding the full tip amount is based on a percentage of the total order cost or if it is just a flat number? I.e., “anything over $6 gets truncated to $6+” vs. “anything over 20% of the order gets truncated to ${total_order_cost*0.2}+”.

Or could it be based off the 3 pre-selected options for the tip that are displayed at the checkout page, and if it is more than the largest option, then it just shows `${largest_predefined_tip_option}+ `?

My personal guess is that it is the last one, but that’s just pure speculation on my part here, hence the question.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by wenc »

19f191ty wrote: post #14

Assuming a delivery worker works 5 hours a day for 5 days a week, that's roughly 35,916 usd. As a PhD student that hits hard.

As a former PhD student who made $28k (which was on the higher end, most made $20k) I’d always known there were better paying jobs out there.

But I also lived in a LCOL city where my rent was $500 (room in an house with 5 roommates) and I lived super well.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by mym1990 »

hotpotamus wrote: post #41
kiba wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't really viable business models to begin with. Only VC funding can keep these online platform up.

I've never really gotten this. We can speculate about the intelligence of VCs, but I assume most of them know a bit of basic math. I wonder if perhaps they are so deep into a bubble of wealth and privilege that to them, spending $50 for a (cold by the time it arrives) burger seemed reasonable. Perhaps they thought that once everyone could experience this for an amount of money they find trifling, it would catch on? I…

The VCs are hoping to hype the product enough in the early stage to achieve a lucrative exit, and do that 10% of the time(or whatever). What happens with the product once the company is public is not of their concern.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by lhorie »

kiba wrote: post #23
8bitben wrote: post #18

The platform fees and the insane menu price markups that restaurants apply for delivery app orders have made it impractical to use Uber Eats & DoorDash for a couple years now IMO. I only ever consider using them when offered at least 50% off. Mandated minimum earnings will benefit the drivers, but that won't help drivers that have to quit the platforms because people stop using them.

They aren't really viable business models to begin with. Only VC funding can keep these online platform up.

That's a somewhat outdated narrative to still be parroting.

Uber just got included into the SP 500. One of the pre-requisites for that is being profitable on a GAAP basis.

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