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Re: Chasquid – SMTP server focused on simplicity

#41

I keep on hearing that hosting your own server is a pain. Email costs were always an issue for me. I manage a few e-commerce website. Initially when they were small I used MailChimp. Then moved to AWS SES. Now I moved to my own self hosted postalserver. My mailing lists are not huge ( 100k recipients) and I send daily and I don't have much of a deliverability issue. Depending on the audience my open rates are between…

Where do you host your mailserver?

Re: Chasquid – SMTP server focused on simplicity

#42

I keep on hearing that hosting your own server is a pain. Email costs were always an issue for me. I manage a few e-commerce website. Initially when they were small I used MailChimp. Then moved to AWS SES. Now I moved to my own self hosted postalserver. My mailing lists are not huge ( 100k recipients) and I send daily and I don't have much of a deliverability issue. Depending on the audience my open rates are between…

Where do you host your mailserver?

They stated that they host it on a dedicated server rented from the provider Hetzner.

Re: Chasquid – SMTP server focused on simplicity

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> Occasionally I turn up in spam when I email someone I haven't before Just proved my point.

Google puts random things in Spam, including ones marked 'not spam' or from otherwise reputable senders (like Github, despite receiving their emails for a decade). My monthly credit card bills occasionally are dumped in spam. Its not really proof of much unless one is constantly getting junked

Back when I used GMail, Google would sometimes mark correspondence e-mails from Google staff as spam. Heck, I even had instances of responses to e-mails I had sent to Google staff marked as spam. Spam filtering is complex and clearly Google has (and continue) to tread a very fine line here.

Re: Chasquid – SMTP server focused on simplicity

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and https://maddy.email/ is built with a similar spirit

Stalwart is probably more feature-complete than Maddy by now.

Perhaps I missed it but doesn't look like it supports LetsEncrypt (maddy does!).

Re: Chasquid – SMTP server focused on simplicity

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Looking for help with Postfix configuration usually put you in forums threads with almost +10 years.

Choosing Postfix at this point in time is a mistake anyways though. Things like Stalwart or Haraka are just so much nicer to use.

Postfix was designed years ago, but that doesn't do it bad, it is a beast, it can handle 5k mails per second (DKIM signed) with an small tunning in a modern hardware without problem.

Re: Chasquid – SMTP server focused on simplicity

#47

I keep on hearing that hosting your own server is a pain. Email costs were always an issue for me. I manage a few e-commerce website. Initially when they were small I used MailChimp. Then moved to AWS SES. Now I moved to my own self hosted postalserver. My mailing lists are not huge ( 100k recipients) and I send daily and I don't have much of a deliverability issue. Depending on the audience my open rates are between…

What you're describing is exactly what most people would call "a pain". It is very doable if it is your job, but it's definitely much much more work than having a Gmail or Proton Mail account or whatever other provider if it's about your own personal email.

There are many who would like to not be beholden to anyone else for their own email, but when they try it, they quickly find it's far too much work to actually ensure that when they send an email to, say, apply for a job, it will certainly arrive.

Re: Chasquid – SMTP server focused on simplicity

#48

I keep on hearing that hosting your own server is a pain. Email costs were always an issue for me. I manage a few e-commerce website. Initially when they were small I used MailChimp. Then moved to AWS SES. Now I moved to my own self hosted postalserver. My mailing lists are not huge ( 100k recipients) and I send daily and I don't have much of a deliverability issue. Depending on the audience my open rates are between…

What you're describing is exactly what most people would call "a pain". It is very doable if it is your job, but it's definitely much much more work than having a Gmail or Proton Mail account or whatever other provider if it's about your own personal email. There are many who would like to not be beholden to anyone else for their own email, but when they try it, they quickly find it's far too much work to actually en…

> There are many who would like to not be beholden to anyone else for their own email, but when they try it, they quickly find it's far too much work to actually ensure that when they send an email to, say, apply for a job, it will certainly arrive.

I think not knowing is a big problem. For example, I just use docker-mailserver on a VPS with decent IP reputation and SPF set up (but not DKIM/DMARC) and haven't really had any issues with the big providers.

However, if there were issues, I wouldn't know about those myself, unless I had some code that sends emails to those providers and then checks whether they've been received periodically.

On one hand, it would be nice to have confirmation for when a mail has been handled successfully (delivered and sitting in their inbox folder, not tossed aside and not filtered as spam, regardless of whether they'll actually read it), but then again some software will also block remote content (like tracking pixels) over justified privacy concerns and bad actors would also benefit from said functionality.

Re: Chasquid – SMTP server focused on simplicity

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Choosing Postfix at this point in time is a mistake anyways though. Things like Stalwart or Haraka are just so much nicer to use.

Why? it's widely deployed, actively maintained and more importantly reliable. 10+ year old support threads are mostly still valid advice.

It needs a bunch of milters to have basic functionality, such as DKIM, SPF and DMARC. OpenDKIM and OpenDMARC are not well-maintained, reliable or nice to use.

Re: Chasquid – SMTP server focused on simplicity

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Choosing Postfix at this point in time is a mistake anyways though. Things like Stalwart or Haraka are just so much nicer to use.

Postfix was designed years ago, but that doesn't do it bad, it is a beast, it can handle 5k mails per second (DKIM signed) with an small tunning in a modern hardware without problem.

Postfix doesn't have DKIM support though. You'd have to use unmaintained OpenDKIM, no Ed25519, bunch of known bugs. It's not good. 5k/s is also really mediocre on modern hardware.
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