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Who makes the most reliable new cars?

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Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

#41

Lexus is toyota. Accura is honda. So it’s really like: 1. Toyota 2. Mini 3. Honda 4. Subaru 5. Mazda Congratulations Japan.

I’d love to see a comparison / breakdown of models made in Japan vs made in USA/Mexico/Canada (for the NA market). Some of the most common Lexus models are not made in Japan

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

#42
post #5

Hard to answer the question because "reliable" means different things to different people. Infotainment system keeps dropping Bluetooth connections? "Unreliable." Engine seizes at 70 MPH? "Unreliable." Car only has minor mechanical problems, but dealers can't get parts for months? "Unreliable." A car is too complex a thing to be characterized with a single scalar value.

I prefer the opinions of mechanics. There was a reddit thread this year where someone asked "what brand would you tell everyone to avoid", and it was a pretty unanimous "Toyota wins." Hopefully they'll quit making infotainment systems. I like my phone->FM adapter. Edit: I worded my comment poorly. The mechanics all love Toyota. Everything else was on many guys' shit-lists.

> it was a pretty unanimous "Toyota wins."

Part of the reason is that Toyota uses really conservative, classic engineering. They sell things that have worked well for decades, and they're hesitant to introduce new features.

That's also why their infotainment systems are notoriously terrible and they lagged years behind everyone else on selling electric cars. Gotta take the good with the bad.

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

#45

Mini is hot garbage on wheels comparable to VW. I am really surprised to see this.

Maybe something changed? Subarus used to suffer head gasket failures, and still suffer from this reputation despite the fact that it’s been fixed for nearly two decades.

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

#46
What a disaster for VW and Mercedes, but it pretty much confirms what everyone here in Germany is saying: reliability has gone downhill, with exception of BMW and Porsche (but it'll cost you), whereas Japan is at the top for ages, with South Korea (Kia, Hyundai) providing a good, cheaper alternative.

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

#47
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often times "Reliability" is calculated as "fraction of cars that have a recall or other unscheduled maintenance during the initial N months of ownership" and I believe Tesla is actually quite high in this regard? https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehi...

My Tesla has been much less costly to own over the last three years than my Honda Odyssey: I have had several mobile repair visits for cosmetic issues and some OTA “recalls” but I find it hard to believe that any ICE car is more “reliable” than a Model 3 that didn’t gave obvious QC issues at delivery.

It remains to be seen how an 8 year old Tesla fares against an 8 year old Odyssey.

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

#49
post #6

Very weird how EVs and ICEs are intermixed. I would expect vastly different results across different drivetrains, and probably even more differences across shape/size platforms (compact, sedan, truck, van, etc.).

From the article:

> Cars, including sedans, hatchbacks, and wagons, remain the most reliable vehicle type, with an average reliability rating of 57 (on a scale of 0 to 100), followed by SUVs (50) and minivans (45). “Sedans have fallen out of favor with consumers, but as a class they are very reliable,” says Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at Consumer Reports. “They often have less of the latest technology and features that can cause problems before the bugs are worked out.” Pickup trucks come in last, with an average reliability rating of 41.

Re: Who makes the most reliable new cars?

#50
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often times "Reliability" is calculated as "fraction of cars that have a recall or other unscheduled maintenance during the initial N months of ownership" and I believe Tesla is actually quite high in this regard? https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehi...

My Tesla has been much less costly to own over the last three years than my Honda Odyssey: I have had several mobile repair visits for cosmetic issues and some OTA “recalls” but I find it hard to believe that any ICE car is more “reliable” than a Model 3 that didn’t gave obvious QC issues at delivery.

The linked article differentiates cost of ownership and reliability. An unreliable car can be low-ownership-cost if it's under warranty.
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