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ChatGPT generates fake data set to support scientific hypothesis

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Re: ChatGPT generates fake data set to support scientific hypothesis

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>“It will make it very easy for any researcher or group of researchers to create fake measurements on non-existent patients, fake answers to questionnaires or to generate a large data set on animal experiments.” Perhaps I'm naive, but I think the people that want to fake data were already doing it without tools like chatgpt. Especially since a ton of biological data is normally distributed, so it's exceedingly easy t…

Exactly. How is this news? What would be surprising is if ChatGPT _could_ generate fake data that passed analysis.

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Re: ChatGPT generates fake data set to support scientific hypothesis

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>“It will make it very easy for any researcher or group of researchers to create fake measurements on non-existent patients, fake answers to questionnaires or to generate a large data set on animal experiments.” Perhaps I'm naive, but I think the people that want to fake data were already doing it without tools like chatgpt. Especially since a ton of biological data is normally distributed, so it's exceedingly easy t…

Exactly. How is this news? What would be surprising is if ChatGPT _could_ generate fake data that passed analysis.

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Re: ChatGPT generates fake data set to support scientific hypothesis

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Somewhere in the mind's eye of science fiction is a world where we have near-unlimited productivity and knowledge and we're all free to pursue our self-actualized lives as we see fit. But as productivity increases, and as AI improves, in both cases individual greed holds back lifting up the many. And so we end up asking for caution on automating away someone's job, or caution on rapid AI progress. Does anyone know an…

The world of Star Trek is one where humanity learns from the devastation of world war three and over a century, creates a society where almost everything is run by computers, money doesn't exist, and people work primarily for their personal satisfaction. But I think true AGI is frowned upon there.

"Humanity learns" is impossible. The unit of analysis is the individual.

Some state may cross between individuals via education, but the individuals still must learn.

History shows that knowledge transmission remains a sticky wicket.

Re: ChatGPT generates fake data set to support scientific hypothesis

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>“It will make it very easy for any researcher or group of researchers to create fake measurements on non-existent patients, fake answers to questionnaires or to generate a large data set on animal experiments.” Perhaps I'm naive, but I think the people that want to fake data were already doing it without tools like chatgpt. Especially since a ton of biological data is normally distributed, so it's exceedingly easy t…

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>You have already gotten the basics of faking data incorrect.

Let's get past the unnecessary antagonism. Can you please explain the above?

Or actually, forget it. You history suggests you don't respond and something like 99/100 of your comments are dead. Maybe this isn't the place for you?

Re: ChatGPT generates fake data set to support scientific hypothesis

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>“It will make it very easy for any researcher or group of researchers to create fake measurements on non-existent patients, fake answers to questionnaires or to generate a large data set on animal experiments.” Perhaps I'm naive, but I think the people that want to fake data were already doing it without tools like chatgpt. Especially since a ton of biological data is normally distributed, so it's exceedingly easy t…

So we’re pretending making something an order of magnitude easier makes no difference? Ok.

Re: ChatGPT generates fake data set to support scientific hypothesis

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I think it would be more clear to say, "ChatGPT assembled a fake data set as a continuation to scientific hypothesis".

ChatGPT does not generate data. It reassembles the data (text) it was given, including the text in its training corpus.

Re: ChatGPT generates fake data set to support scientific hypothesis

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I think it would be more clear to say, "ChatGPT assembled a fake data set as a continuation to scientific hypothesis". ChatGPT does not generate data. It reassembles the data (text) it was given, including the text in its training corpus.

I don't think that's accurate, it generates novel outputs that were not observed in the training data.

Re: ChatGPT generates fake data set to support scientific hypothesis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world of Star Trek is one where humanity learns from the devastation of world war three and over a century, creates a society where almost everything is run by computers, money doesn't exist, and people work primarily for their personal satisfaction. But I think true AGI is frowned upon there.

"Humanity learns" is impossible. The unit of analysis is the individual. Some state may cross between individuals via education, but the individuals still must learn. History shows that knowledge transmission remains a sticky wicket.

Firm disagree! Example: take a tour of the tower of London and learn about all the nasty medieval tortures we used to inflict on people. Now we don't do that anymore.

Humans learn things collectively via culture and cultural transmission has been an extremely effective tool of knowledge preservation over the generations.

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