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OpenAI's board approached Anthropic CEO about top job and merger

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Re: OpenAI's board approached Anthropic CEO about top job and merger

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Post by dacryn »

siva7 wrote: post #17
olalonde wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also noticed an unusually high amount of throwaway accounts on OpenAI threads lately. I am not sure whether it's a concerted effort but Altman does seem to have a lot of fans.

Rather than putting up a conspiracy theory the much more plausible explanation is that this board evidently pissed off a lot of customers, powerful people in tech and almost all employees of openai.

makes sense.

It seems this was a coup of Microsoft together with Altman to go full force ahead with the commercial upscaling.

In the past there was already a small uprising, and all who didn't like the Altman cult ran off to anthropic. So all that's left in openai are huge fans of Altman. So it only makes sense that you piss off almost all remaining employees, its survivor bias at work.

Re: OpenAI's board approached Anthropic CEO about top job and merger

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Post by upwardbound »

xvector wrote: post #31
upwardbound wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people on Twitter, notably @HackingButLegal, have been collecting examples of possible paid astroturfing accounts which she believes belong to a reputation management firm hired by Sam to suppress his sister Annie's accusations that Sam sexually abused her as a child. https://twitter.com/HackingButLegal/status/17268410084771104... https://twitter.com/HackingButLegal/status/17268395129057322...

Have you actually read the sister's accusations? They read like the rantings of a paranoid schizophrenic. One or two things, I could believe, but the sheer volume of ridiculously extreme accusations is impossible to believe.

Her core accusation is that Sam would always read her bedtime stories (he was almost a decade older) while laying in bed with her, and that sometimes while they were in bed he would cuddle her inappropriately. And that at some point she started asking him not to get in the bed and he ignored her “no” and kept up the nightly ritual.

This seems well within the realm of possibility. She probably does have mental health issues (maybe paranoid schizophrenia), but that could be an effect of the childhood sexual trauma. I had a 40-something-year-old aunt who committed suicide due to being raped as a child. :( Early trauma like that can fuck you up in ways that make you permanently unstable.

Re: OpenAI's board approached Anthropic CEO about top job and merger

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Post by hyperfuturism »

mihaic wrote: post #37

I tried not to have an opinion until now, but so far Altman seems like a greedy asshole, and D'Angelo seems like a greedier asshole. That clash ended up terribly, since neither of them care about anything else than their best interests.

How is Altman a greedy asshole?

He's been at OpenAI since founding date, he's taken zero economic upside in this venture, and he's now being kicked out - what exactly makes him an asshole?

Re: OpenAI's board approached Anthropic CEO about top job and merger

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Post by siva7 »

drexlspivey wrote: post #34
robg wrote: post #13

Looking more and more like the dev day nuking of D’Angelo’s Poe led to this outcome. I’m surprised that connection has escaped close scrutiny - it was a conflict of interest AND now Poe is viable again as intended. For a minor player in AI he’s managed to maximize his interests and while serving on a non-profit board.

I see stuff like this spreading in social media and it’s always people speculating without any evidence. On Saturday it was a coup by Ilya, on Sunday it was a coup by effective altruists/decelerationists on the board, today is D’Angelo’s Poe getting eaten up tomorrow it will be something else. Your theory collapses in the slightest amount of scrutiny, if D’Angelo tries to destroy the company due to his own company lo…

Your argumentation against parent is very fluffy.

> Your theory collapses in the slightest amount of scrutiny, if D’Angelo tries to destroy the company due to his own company losing value why would the other 3 board members be on board with that?

The other 3 have their own motives which have been repeated over and over here. It came to light that there were strong tensions between Helen and Sam as he wanted her to be removed from the board. Ilya was hurt by Sam over the competing teams fiasco. Adam wanted to protect his competitor which is a clear interest conflict and could bring him in severe legal trouble.

Re: OpenAI's board approached Anthropic CEO about top job and merger

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Post by thinkingemote »

throw_pm23 wrote: post #3

Almost every story we get seems to point in the direction of the board being erratic and incompetent. I feel like either that has to be the obvious truth, or I am being gaslighted by a concerted effort from the other side.

The board has bylaws governing how it works. One of them says that it has to have 48 hours notice before a meeting (to, e.g. agenda, minutes, resolutions, actions ). I think a board member cannot speak officially before that. We might be an announcement today or tomorrow. Perhaps they have had to have a meeting to get legal advice before an announcement?

I think the board is just being as slow as any board is. But they didn't plan for the somewhat foreseeable response and we are impatient.

This is as charitable as I could think of.

Re: OpenAI's board approached Anthropic CEO about top job and merger

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Post by robg »

drexlspivey wrote: post #34
robg wrote: post #13

Looking more and more like the dev day nuking of D’Angelo’s Poe led to this outcome. I’m surprised that connection has escaped close scrutiny - it was a conflict of interest AND now Poe is viable again as intended. For a minor player in AI he’s managed to maximize his interests and while serving on a non-profit board.

I see stuff like this spreading in social media and it’s always people speculating without any evidence. On Saturday it was a coup by Ilya, on Sunday it was a coup by effective altruists/decelerationists on the board, today is D’Angelo’s Poe getting eaten up tomorrow it will be something else. Your theory collapses in the slightest amount of scrutiny, if D’Angelo tries to destroy the company due to his own company lo…

You don’t think D’Angelo has a conflict of interest?

Re: OpenAI's board approached Anthropic CEO about top job and merger

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Post by roflyear »

throw_pm23 wrote: post #3

Almost every story we get seems to point in the direction of the board being erratic and incompetent. I feel like either that has to be the obvious truth, or I am being gaslighted by a concerted effort from the other side.

Not to get too conspiracy, but remember where you get your news from: HN, maybe reddit?

Guess which platforms have deep ties to Altman?

Re: OpenAI's board approached Anthropic CEO about top job and merger

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Post by upwardbound »

RobertDeNiro wrote: post #40
drexlspivey wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see stuff like this spreading in social media and it’s always people speculating without any evidence. On Saturday it was a coup by Ilya, on Sunday it was a coup by effective altruists/decelerationists on the board, today is D’Angelo’s Poe getting eaten up tomorrow it will be something else. Your theory collapses in the slightest amount of scrutiny, if D’Angelo tries to destroy the company due to his own company lo…

Not saying I agree with the theory, but if D’Angelo was any but manipulative he would obviously lie and convince them using other reasons. For instance he could claim that he’s worried about alignment, safety, etc.

any *bit manipulative

Re: OpenAI's board approached Anthropic CEO about top job and merger

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Post by drexlspivey »

siva7 wrote: post #45
drexlspivey wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see stuff like this spreading in social media and it’s always people speculating without any evidence. On Saturday it was a coup by Ilya, on Sunday it was a coup by effective altruists/decelerationists on the board, today is D’Angelo’s Poe getting eaten up tomorrow it will be something else. Your theory collapses in the slightest amount of scrutiny, if D’Angelo tries to destroy the company due to his own company lo…

Your argumentation against parent is very fluffy. > Your theory collapses in the slightest amount of scrutiny, if D’Angelo tries to destroy the company due to his own company losing value why would the other 3 board members be on board with that? The other 3 have their own motives which have been repeated over and over here. It came to light that there were strong tensions between Helen and Sam as he wanted her to be…

And you figured out 4 different motives for 4 different people based on what exactly?
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