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Anti Tank Vespa

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Re: Anti Tank Vespa

#41
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In Sweden, like other developing nations, we had our soldiers cycling with their anti tank weapons (first picture): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_infantry

Which is much better for the environment. (Y) Kudos

I mean... Ok. But they definitely aren't going quickly to protect from tanks. I'm not educated in the right ways to work out if shelling is worse than some bikes that'll probably outlast the war, if they don't get destroyed.

Re: Anti Tank Vespa

#42

Yes, we want you to take a motorcycle up against a tank. It's cheaper, you're expendable, and we will win with the budget we have. You joined the Legion to die, and we are sending you where you can do that. No, we do not cover you with life insurance.

You can’t put everybody in tanks, as tanks are fairly helpless without infantry support. Even if they wouldn’t be, tanks need support personnel nearby on the ground for refueling, maintenance, and repairs.

So, an army needs infantry. Infantry will, at times, encounter enemy tanks without sufficient friendly tank support.

When that happens, things like these can be very helpful to bring antitank weapons to where they’re needed.

The existence of such weapons also can act as a deterrence.

The Panzerfaust served a similar role and was effective at it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust#Germany: “However, the threat from the Panzerfaust forced Allied tank forces to wait for infantry support before advancing. The portion of British tanks taken out of action by Panzerfäuste later rose to 34%, a rise probably explained by the lack of German anti-tank guns late in the war and the increased numbers of Panzerfäuste that were available to defending German troops”

Re: Anti Tank Vespa

#43

Finally a two wheeled vehicle that will command some respect in Amsterdam traffic. I'll take it.

The glass wind shield mounted on a Vespa, commonly referred to as a 'Holleedertje', has a similar effect and it keeps you dry in the rain as well.

Re: Anti Tank Vespa

#45
post #12

In Sweden, like other developing nations, we had our soldiers cycling with their anti tank weapons (first picture): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_infantry

Germany did that with Panzerfausts in the last days of the war. The riders were children.

Re: Anti Tank Vespa

#46
post #43

Finally a two wheeled vehicle that will command some respect in Amsterdam traffic. I'll take it.

The glass wind shield mounted on a Vespa, commonly referred to as a 'Holleedertje', has a similar effect and it keeps you dry in the rain as well.

That's why dutch people have front bike seats for children. You can hide behind them when it's raining really bad.

Re: Anti Tank Vespa

#47
post #12

In Sweden, like other developing nations, we had our soldiers cycling with their anti tank weapons (first picture): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_infantry

Not only developing nations, Japan used bicycle infantry in their invasion of Indochina and Malaya to devastating effect - motorised vehicles were hard to use in the jungle terrain, but bicycles were fine while being drastically faster than the foot infantry used by British and other Allied troops.

Re: Anti Tank Vespa

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is much better for the environment. (Y) Kudos

I mean... Ok. But they definitely aren't going quickly to protect from tanks. I'm not educated in the right ways to work out if shelling is worse than some bikes that'll probably outlast the war, if they don't get destroyed.

Depends on the tank and the situation - a bicycle from short range can be faster than the turret can be rotated to expose the bicycle to the machine gun of the tank. Not to mention the ambush opportunities in forests and the like, where the bicycle and the operators can lie down, be covered in netting, and spring up after the tank has passed them to hit it on the sides/back, and run away quickly after the attack.

Re: Anti Tank Vespa

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing as it was developed in the 1950s, it likely never saw combat.

France had plenty of combat at the time but the other side rarely, if ever, had tanks.

The weapon in question, the M20 recoilless rifle, turned out to be ineffective against tanks (even against T-34s which by the 1950s were obsolete), but effective as close infantry support against stationary targets. So it could still have been used effectively against e.g. Vietnamese or Algerian positions.

Re: Anti Tank Vespa

#50

Yes, we want you to take a motorcycle up against a tank. It's cheaper, you're expendable, and we will win with the budget we have. You joined the Legion to die, and we are sending you where you can do that. No, we do not cover you with life insurance.

> a tank Imprecise terminology often causes bad thinking. A “tank” could be a MBT, or it could be an armored personel carrier with very limited offensive capabilities.

Even the lightest APC will have enough firepower to take out a Vespa. I don't think 120mm APDS is going to make a big difference.
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