I wonder what color the bubble will be?
I'm predicting either purple or a (light) gray.
Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
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Agreed. I don't mind them having their messaging platform. I don't mind it being technically superior to RCS. I DO have an issue with them intentionally doing a shit job of integrating with a telecommunications standard and then slapping a green bubble on it to get their oblivious users to ostracize people's kids.
Apple doesn't put a green bubble on SMS "to ostracize people's kids". Kids are ostracized just for having a default skin in Fortnite--because kids can be little shitheads. Apple differentiates because what you can do with SMS is different from what you can do with iMessage and that's a clear way to demonstrate it (and also to indicate if there's something weird going on when it changes from iMessage to SMS). RCS is a…
> what you can do is different
Can you talk a bit more about how iMessage is fundamentally diferent than SMS on the functionality level? Is it like "Signal" different or is it like "different" different?
Edit: bonus points if you can offer why iMessage is able to be the skeleton key into your iPhone, as often it and WebKit seem to be behind most of the serious 0-days...
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. I don't mind them having their messaging platform. I don't mind it being technically superior to RCS. I DO have an issue with them intentionally doing a shit job of integrating with a telecommunications standard and then slapping a green bubble on it to get their oblivious users to ostracize people's kids.
Apple doesn't put a green bubble on SMS "to ostracize people's kids". Kids are ostracized just for having a default skin in Fortnite--because kids can be little shitheads. Apple differentiates because what you can do with SMS is different from what you can do with iMessage and that's a clear way to demonstrate it (and also to indicate if there's something weird going on when it changes from iMessage to SMS). RCS is a…
But they pick an ugly shade of green though.
I currently have an iPhone 15 Pro Max and have also used Android devices in the past. I like to switch each time I get a new phone.
Apple definitely picks an ugly color to make you feel uncomfortable texting with a non iPhone user. They should at least let users choose the color (which will never happen).
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#44What’s the story around e2e encryption on RCS these days? In the past there were a few countries that didn’t allow it, no idea if that has changed.
Also, will iMessage support for RCS include e2ee?
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#45Hopefully I can turn it off. I do not know anyone who uses RCS who didn't end up on WhatsApp or Telegram pretty quickly afterwards.
Why would you turn it off? What if you hire a contractor for some work and they need to send you pictures/video from an Android? Or a realtor, mechanic, craigslist seller, or just someone you don't have/want a personal relationship with. You're not adding these people to WhatsApp/Telegram.. I have probably hundreds more phone contacts than people I have on whatsapp.
All the carriers in the UK use Googles service. Perhaps you don’t want to send all your messages via the worlds biggest advertising company.
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#46Is there E2EE in the actual RCS specification? Can there be, given that telcos are usually subject to lawful intercept laws?
AIUI, what Google/Android does is have their own extension, with the Content-Type of the message being "application/vnd.google.rcs.encrypted":
* https://www.gstatic.com/messages/papers/messages_e2ee.pdf
This is kind of like, with (E)SMTP/IMAP, having your own capability of "X-GOOG-ENCRYPT" if the standards-based "STARTTLS" was not around.
So while RCS gives many other improvement over SMS/MMS, encryption is not one of them.
(Personally I have an iPhone, but don't conect 'iMessage', and generally stick with SMS/MMS.)
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#47Imagine being an exec at Nothing and seeing your acquisition turn into dust Edit: it was not an acquisition but a partnership
Wouldn't worry at all. It's a cool feature if it works. The value in that blue bubble is less about the features of iMessage and more about social capital, not that I personally care.
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#48Imagine being an exec at Nothing and seeing your acquisition turn into dust Edit: it was not an acquisition but a partnership
Why do you say "acquisition"? I thought Nothing just partnered with Sunbird.
But I do wonder if the timing is completely coincidental.
Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year
#49What’s the story around e2e encryption on RCS these days? In the past there were a few countries that didn’t allow it, no idea if that has changed. Also, will iMessage support for RCS include e2ee?
Apple will be pushing for RCS/Carriers to adopt e2e, but it'll probably just flag green/notify users that messages are not encrypted.
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