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Fedora 39 Released

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Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by jlkuester7 »

spicyusername wrote: post #32
doakes wrote: post #26

Can anyone speak to their experience with the atomic/immutable versions of Fedora (Onyx, Silverblue)? It sounds pretty interesting. [0] https://fedoraproject.org/silverblue/

IBM uses Fedora CoreOS / Red Hat CoreOS as the underlying OS for OKD / OpenShift, Red Hat's flagship product, so the bones are solid. Silverblue works well enough. The biggest drawback is that you need a different development workflow, all container-based, and you have to use Flatpaks for installing Desktop software. The biggest questions I had while using it were, "Why am I doing this?" and "Is this worth the trade-…

I agree that the benefits seem way more obvious for a server. I already deploy all my server-side apps via Docker containers with basically no system-level dependencies!

That being said, one of the main benefits I am hoping to get out of Silverblue on the desktop is relief from the almost-inevitable system degradation I have experienced with other Linux distros where, over time (and especially with major upgrades), more and more things slow down and/or stop working. I am not sure if I am just doing something wrong (besides daily heavy use), but historically all my desktop Linux installations have become almost unusable after a couple years. I am only a few months into using Silverblue, but I am hoping that the way the system image is rebuilt for each update makes it more stable in the long-term....

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by bryanlarsen »

spicyusername wrote: post #32
doakes wrote: post #26

Can anyone speak to their experience with the atomic/immutable versions of Fedora (Onyx, Silverblue)? It sounds pretty interesting. [0] https://fedoraproject.org/silverblue/

IBM uses Fedora CoreOS / Red Hat CoreOS as the underlying OS for OKD / OpenShift, Red Hat's flagship product, so the bones are solid. Silverblue works well enough. The biggest drawback is that you need a different development workflow, all container-based, and you have to use Flatpaks for installing Desktop software. The biggest questions I had while using it were, "Why am I doing this?" and "Is this worth the trade-…

distrobox/toolbox definitely solves concrete problems for me as a developer. Maybe I don't need to be running on Silverblue to use toolbox, but it's a good match.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by dpc_01234 »

tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

I'm using the same setup and use 100% scaling and "Large Text" accessibility settings. Good enough for me, as a workaround so I thought it's worth mentioning.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by davet91 »

tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

Steam fractional scaling should work since their big UI update a few months ago. Try launching Steam with this environment variable: STEAM_FORCE_DESKTOPUI_SCALING=1.5

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by rodrigodlu »

tmtvl wrote: post #20
tapoxi wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's 2256x1504 and 3:2. It's a nice screen, but it's one that absolutely works best at 1.5x scale since 1 is unreadable and 2 wastes plenty of screen real estate.

As an idiot who's never used a screen with more than 1080p resolution, is there a reason why just increasing font size doesn't work?

Padding inside boxes/buttons looks all weird.

Since for me less is more I'm doing 200% non-fractional with a smaller font. The problem is that I need a different font size from my 1920x1200 laptop screen (usually secondary, far away from me, with documentation websites/slack/etc) and my primary 4k.

For browsers I can change the default font size and forget the controls, since I'm using vimium, but stuff like Skype/Slack/Zoom/etc needs more dancing whenever I change the display.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by butz »

KDE needs more attention. Now it is tucked away as a "spin" that does not inspire much confidence, but in some cases KDE provides much better user experience. Time to add all DEs into ISO and allow selecting the one you want during install, and software too. Like in old days of Fedora Core.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by deafpolygon »

reisse wrote: post #33

Dynamic triple buffering for GNOME has been postponed again, fractional scaling is nowhere in sight, but they landed > a new workspace switcher and a much-improved image viewer. What a joke of a product management. Sometimes I envy guys who can rewrite workspace switchers again and again on Red Hat's money.

In my excitement with the beta version of Fedora 39, I installed it and had fractional scaling for a few minutes- until I installed updates and rebooted. It was gone. That was the last time I touched it.

Fractional Scaling is a *must* these days, with the high res laptop screens.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by whalesalad »

butz wrote: post #46

KDE needs more attention. Now it is tucked away as a "spin" that does not inspire much confidence, but in some cases KDE provides much better user experience. Time to add all DEs into ISO and allow selecting the one you want during install, and software too. Like in old days of Fedora Core.

Come to where the air is crisp - Debian 12 is a fantastic KDE experience these days.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by otherme123 »

candiddevmike wrote: post #16
wheelerof4te wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, they should just focus on the x86_64.

Why do you say that? ARM usage is surging, especially on the hobby side which Fedora has seen a lot of use.

I'm a daily user of Fedora Desktop and Fedora Server (plus a couple of VPS), I couldn't be happier. But I tried it a couple of times on a Raspberry, and for some reason it's much worse than the Raspbian, so I waste time and SD cycles in installing Fedora, fighting bugs and going back to Raspbian.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by phendrenad2 »

reisse wrote: post #33

Dynamic triple buffering for GNOME has been postponed again, fractional scaling is nowhere in sight, but they landed > a new workspace switcher and a much-improved image viewer. What a joke of a product management. Sometimes I envy guys who can rewrite workspace switchers again and again on Red Hat's money.

Even though Linux is open-source, it's not immune to the force of money. There are paying customers for Red Hat, and maybe they don't care about DPI scaling that much.
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