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Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

#41

Post by vincentkriek » Tue, Nov 07, 2023, 9:50 AM UTC

ValtteriL wrote: post #32

I used Tuta for both private and business use for a couple of years. Switched away because of terrible search experience and lack of SMTP and IMAP access. Tuta became understandably a walled garden that my other tools couldn't easily work with. This wasted alot of my time. Nowadays using $normalemailprovider with Thunderbird.

What is $normalemailprovider? I have been looking for an alternative that is more standard, but it seems like only Fastmail is big in this space. The rest are small shops that don't convey a lot of confidence.

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by nsbk » Tue, Nov 07, 2023, 9:54 AM UTC

reddalo wrote: post #13

Tuta means sweatshirt in Italian :)

And the name for the tomato leafminer in Spanish. From the Latin _Tuta absoluta_

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuta_absoluta

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

#43

Post by kuratkull » Tue, Nov 07, 2023, 9:58 AM UTC

ValtteriL wrote: post #32

I used Tuta for both private and business use for a couple of years. Switched away because of terrible search experience and lack of SMTP and IMAP access. Tuta became understandably a walled garden that my other tools couldn't easily work with. This wasted alot of my time. Nowadays using $normalemailprovider with Thunderbird.

Same here, the search was horrible and eventually caused me to move away. Using mailbox.org is a much more pleasant experience.

Other options: https://www.privacytools.io/privacy-email

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by lars_francke » Tue, Nov 07, 2023, 10:07 AM UTC

I did search for E-Mail provider alternatives recently and came across a blog post by Drew DeVault: https://drewdevault.com/2020/06/19/Mail-service-provider-rec...

He used to recommend mailbox.org and migadu.

Two questions:

1) Does anyone know why he does not recommend Tuta(nota)? Edit: I missed the footnote

> Do they make unfounded claims about security or privacy, or develop techniques which ultimately rely on trusting them instead of supporting or improving standards which rely on encryption?

> This also rules out ProtonMail and Tutanota, doubly damning them, especially because it provides an excuse for skipping IMAP and SMTP, which conveniently enables vendor lock-in.

I see from other comments that they don't support IMAP/SMTP and force their own apps.

2) Does anyone know why he stopped recommending mailbox.org? He changed it a few weeks ago without any explanation I can see.

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by Beijinger » Tue, Nov 07, 2023, 10:11 AM UTC

vincentkriek wrote: post #41

ValtteriL wrote: post #32

I used Tuta for both private and business use for a couple of years. Switched away because of terrible search experience and lack of SMTP and IMAP access. Tuta became understandably a walled garden that my other tools couldn't easily work with. This wasted alot of my time. Nowadays using $normalemailprovider with Thunderbird.

What is $normalemailprovider? I have been looking for an alternative that is more standard, but it seems like only Fastmail is big in this space. The rest are small shops that don't convey a lot of confidence.

Fastmail is supposed to be good. But you can just buy your own domain with Email hosting. It is free with gandi.net. Or use https://www.infomaniak.com/

Infomaniak also sells email hosting for around 20 Euro per year, they are based in Switzerland. If you have your own domain, just type the domain name as you would buy the domain and if the interface says domain taken, select email hosting (the three dots).

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by Emesanist » Tue, Nov 07, 2023, 10:17 AM UTC

lars_francke wrote: post #44

I did search for E-Mail provider alternatives recently and came across a blog post by Drew DeVault: https://drewdevault.com/2020/06/19/Mail-service-provider-rec... He used to recommend mailbox.org and migadu. Two questions: 1) Does anyone know why he does not recommend Tuta(nota)? Edit: I missed the footnote > Do they make unfounded claims about security or privacy, or develop techniques which ultimately rely on trus…

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Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by Beijinger » Tue, Nov 07, 2023, 10:17 AM UTC

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #3

janandonly wrote: post #2

What is even the difference between Tuta and Proton?

The main ones for me: - (To my knowledge) Tuta doesn't have secondary services like VPN, etc. - Tuta intentionally does not provide a bridge for email. So everything with their service has to be done through their apps. If you want to use your own email client or command line tools (such as for submitting patchsets to mailing lists), that's not an option.

"So everything with their service has to be done through their apps."

What sane person would do this? Use infomaniak instead (Switzerland). Tuta seems to be a German company. There is another one, I forgot the name but a few friends of mine were using it. I used google, could not find it but I am actually surprised that there are many providers. E.g.

https://www.qualityhosting.de/hosted-exchange/hosted-exchang...

https://www.netart.com/de/email/

Ah, found it: https://posteo.de/de

Surprised that there are so many players in this field.

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

#48

Post by Sukram21 » Tue, Nov 07, 2023, 10:17 AM UTC

Beijinger wrote: post #45

vincentkriek wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is $normalemailprovider? I have been looking for an alternative that is more standard, but it seems like only Fastmail is big in this space. The rest are small shops that don't convey a lot of confidence.

Fastmail is supposed to be good. But you can just buy your own domain with Email hosting. It is free with gandi.net. Or use https://www.infomaniak.com/ Infomaniak also sells email hosting for around 20 Euro per year, they are based in Switzerland. If you have your own domain, just type the domain name as you would buy the domain and if the interface says domain taken, select email hosting (the three dots).

Gandi mailboxes are not free anymore (discussed e.g. here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35080777).

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

#49

Post by hackideiomat » Tue, Nov 07, 2023, 10:21 AM UTC

lars_francke wrote: post #44

I did search for E-Mail provider alternatives recently and came across a blog post by Drew DeVault: https://drewdevault.com/2020/06/19/Mail-service-provider-rec... He used to recommend mailbox.org and migadu. Two questions: 1) Does anyone know why he does not recommend Tuta(nota)? Edit: I missed the footnote > Do they make unfounded claims about security or privacy, or develop techniques which ultimately rely on trus…

Tuta is just weird. It's not really email, it's more like an encrypted chat. If you send a "mail" to someone who does not have tuta, guess what, they are invited to tuta xD

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by imiric » Tue, Nov 07, 2023, 10:21 AM UTC

vincentkriek wrote: post #41

ValtteriL wrote: post #32

I used Tuta for both private and business use for a couple of years. Switched away because of terrible search experience and lack of SMTP and IMAP access. Tuta became understandably a walled garden that my other tools couldn't easily work with. This wasted alot of my time. Nowadays using $normalemailprovider with Thunderbird.

What is $normalemailprovider? I have been looking for an alternative that is more standard, but it seems like only Fastmail is big in this space. The rest are small shops that don't convey a lot of confidence.

Not sure what qualifies as "normal", but I've been happy with mailfence.com for a few years now. I rarely see them mentioned in privacy lists, which I appreciate, as I don't want them to get too much attention. :)

They're based in Belgium, and have a solid stance on privacy and security. They provide IMAP/SMTP access, calendar/CalDAV, contacts/CardDAV, custom domain names, filters, spam blocking, etc. It's a pretty well-rounded and maintained service. The web UI is not the most modern, but it's usable.