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Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by jyunwai »

bombcar wrote: post #7
nijave wrote: post #3

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Not sure if it's just me but I routinely get stuck in a captcha redirect loop with archive.today (like captcha button, get redirected back to same captcha page)

Change DNS to not use Cloudflare.

This worked for me. I found that I changed my DNS server to Cloudflare with the AdGuard software installed on MacOS a while back (AdGuard > Preferences > DNS), and changing this to a different server fixed it.

I also used the command `sudo dscacheutil -flushcache; sudo killall -HUP mDNSResponder` on Terminal (double-check this command before using) to flush the DNS cache, so the change would immediately take effect with the archive websites.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by carlosdp »

capableweb wrote: post #35
philistine wrote: post #8

It’s crazy how the assassination and the public acceptance of the assassin’s goals sound like something out of Persona 5.

Why is that so crazy? Happens all the time that people get assassinated and the public sides with the assassin. If the US was successful with any of their plots to assassinate Castro I'm sure the US public would mostly side with their government about it, as a relatively famous example. Another more contemporary example would be the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (prime minister of Israel) in 95, which had a lot of l…

The Castro example doesn't really fit here. That would be an assassination of a foreign national, not a domestic assassination like in Rabin's or Abe's.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by mrob »

nihonthrowaway wrote: post #28
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #16

Meta comment on cultural awareness: "Japan wants you to say its leader’s name correctly: Abe Shinzo [1]" Why authors are still messing this up almost 5 years later is bewildering [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/21/asia/japan-name-abe-shinzo-in...

As someone who speaks Japanese to be polite, and will dutifully follow all honorifics while in Japan: Japan doesn't get to change English naming conventions in English speaking cultures and civilizations.

But why do China and Korea get to change English naming conventions? What makes Japan an exception?

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by graphe »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #37
User23 wrote: post #19

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The Soviet atheists absolutely took the cake for most murder by a religious faction. What you’re describing is a people problem, not a religion problem.

Nobel laureate Steven Weinberg has something to say about this. "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

The Chinese farmer story has something to say about it too. https://matterco.co/the-maybe-story/

> One thing for sure is that life is uncertain. We never really know what situations may yield us—good, bad, or otherwise. Whatever happens in our life, we’ll never be sure of the consequences it may bring in the future.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by graphe »

carlosdp wrote: post #43
capableweb wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that so crazy? Happens all the time that people get assassinated and the public sides with the assassin. If the US was successful with any of their plots to assassinate Castro I'm sure the US public would mostly side with their government about it, as a relatively famous example. Another more contemporary example would be the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin (prime minister of Israel) in 95, which had a lot of l…

The Castro example doesn't really fit here. That would be an assassination of a foreign national, not a domestic assassination like in Rabin's or Abe's.

I agree. If Trump or Obama had been assassinated during their presidency, there would have been some support among the public, wide condemnation by the elites worried about their status and a news blackout on why the assassin may have been justified.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by makeitdouble »

nihonthrowaway wrote: post #28
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #16

Meta comment on cultural awareness: "Japan wants you to say its leader’s name correctly: Abe Shinzo [1]" Why authors are still messing this up almost 5 years later is bewildering [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/21/asia/japan-name-abe-shinzo-in...

As someone who speaks Japanese to be polite, and will dutifully follow all honorifics while in Japan: Japan doesn't get to change English naming conventions in English speaking cultures and civilizations.

The language/country norm is kinda irrelevant. In Japan John Lennon is not referred to as ”Lennon John”, nor is Miyamoto Musashi referred as "Musashi Miyamoto" in English.

For famous names, outside of official dpcuments people will use whatever names feels right to them and I personally think that should be fine as long as the name is recognized.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by freedomben »

snvzz wrote: post #18
tpmx wrote: post #11

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> Religion, sigh. So, no, not all religions are violent and/or harmful. I've been an devout atheist since about the age of 10. That doesn't stop me from seeing that: a) some religions are relatively harmless and mostly helpful to their believers b) some religions are very destructive to everyone I don't think we should go much further from here.

I am also an atheist, but recognize religion as damaging, forcing a tilting cognitive fog. Never helpful, a net negative to believers and society. The degree of bad depends on the religion and the believer. Plus one must not forget that, for most believers, religion preceded adulthood, even maturity. Meaning it was never a choice, but imposed through indoctrination and immediate social pressure.

I largely agree, except:

> Never helpful

It clearly is helpful to believers at times. For example, when a loved one dies, it can be extremely comforting to think you'll see them again soon in a paradisical heaven. Comfort when you're hurting is helpful.

Re: Shinzo Abe's Assassination

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Post by tpmx »

colinb wrote: post #42
tpmx wrote: post #24

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Irish, right?

Me? Yes I am.

> Just don't try to claim that your club is actually less blood-soaked than the others.

I'm in Sweden. Religion here has sort of faded into the background. Very few people are religious. We observe the religion here more or less as as a cultural thing. It's something we do at births, school exam celebrations and burials but not much else.

Bload soaked club? Yes, a few hundred years ago.

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